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in other words, Sony just got fucked hard right in the ass.
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Kinda how datel's psp cheats functioned till 6.20
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Big head shot towards Sony.
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All confirmed by the top devs of the scene
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This will work for any future and past firmwares.
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Sony is in deep shit now.
Nice Work!
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I'm all for moderated cheating the system (like playing UMD-only games on our PSP GOs), but I can't help but feel sorry for Sony as people will go on to cheat and steal everything from them from now on...
I hate to see Sony go down because of this...
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1) Pose as a scene, this shit just got real.
2) Any double penetration jokes
3) And "Signed" puns.
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They're basically screwed at Sony. All games released have to be signed with keys that can be decrypted by the keys in the system, so they need a firmware upgrade to get around us having the keys, except that said firmware upgrade has to be signed with those very same keys for our PSP/PS3 to install it in the first place, meaning we can decrypt it and pull the news keys out of it.
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but think about the upside. this will definitely force a PSP2 and PS4!!!
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Bit hypocritical, there, isn't it?
Someone is always going to have to pay for something. Honestly, if I did get everything else for free, paying an annual fee for online services isn't so bad.
Also, just because the homebrew community is big doesn't mean that the general consumer base knows what's going on. Sure, piracy will skyrocket, but there will still be just as many people that are either not in the loop or don't know much more than how to turn on a game and buy things for their system. For some people, looking for information about stuff like this doesn't even cross their minds. The entire PS3/PSP market isn't just going to die out overnight, or at all.
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sony will be fine...
PSP2 is still on its way to save thier asses.
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can't wait to see if it is a hoax or not, any idea on a release date?
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If you would 1. Not have leaked a jig for the ps3
2. Never removed OtherOS
3. Programed your shit correctly
You could still make money from the the console sales. If the developers stop creating good games for the ps3 (psp games started suck a llllllooooonnnn nnggggg time ago) No one will buy a ps3 thus no more cash for poooorrrr little Sony.
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GOOD NEWS: THE SONY PSP IS NOW DOMINATED BY US HACKERS AND SONY IS F*CKED. :)
BAD NEWS: NOW THAT THEY ARE F*CKED AND ONLY HAVE A 1% CHANCE OF FIXING THIS, THEY WILL PROBABLY QUIT THE GAMING INDUSTRY, SO NO MORE NEW GAMES FOR US TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. :(
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so, can I finally sell my PSP 1000 and buy a GO? The GO is now fully hackable with this right? Or not hackable but it can run any homebrew now right, does that include iso? Damn, nvm... I'd still need my PSP 1000 to back up my UMD games...
In on EPIC topic... fuck yeah
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That new one does it!
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int getRandomNumber (){
return 4;
}
XD yeah sony failed. Glad to see the same principles apply to the psp. I agree that cfw isn't going anywhere because of the ability for plugins but I wouldn't mind running a homebrew app as an overlay to enable cheating. Run cheating "game", select game/iso, cheat. I wonder how long it'll take for cfw for ps3 to be released and the first "official" homebrew to be released now that the keys are public.
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[ ] Told
[ ] FUCKING TOLD
[X] FUCKING RECEIVERSHIP
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Sorry for the stupid question -_-
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what this does is it cuts out the need for exploits like the patapon/ hotshots golf; and instead treats all eboots like officail sony eboots by way of an electronic signiture. Eboots used in homebrew are unsigned and for that reason require a HEN/TN or CFW exploit to run them, this gives these eboots a special signature that convinces the PSP that it is a legit Sony signed game. With this it does away with the need for future hacks and exploits thus making 6.20TN-A/B moot and unnecessary. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood how this works.
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This is a fitting blow to Sony for being such dicks! I can only imagine what we can do now...it's just beautiful. I'd like to think that Sony will learn from this, but they probably won't; however, we can at least enjoy it while it lasts, and hey! The ps3 is a "10 year system" right? Not to mention they'll have to keep the same signature for the new psp or they'll lose all backward-capability. Although the signature might only work on old psp games and such, but it's still a good leg up on them for the future. And just think, this all may not have happened if sony knew how to use a random number generator! hahahahahaha, god it kills me.
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A fucking big thanks to all guys who worked on this to make it possible. And a big fuck you too sony for not supporting any form of modding on such a cool device. Who keeps trying to kill off the scene.
Though idk how long this may last but happy nonetheless its a big step ahead!
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I know the basics of C programming, from my courses in college, and can anyone tell me where to get the 'keys'?
here is my email, please help!
jx1991x@hotmail.com
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btw: I am not against piracy but there is no proof I've ever pirated anything. lol
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I think you should not return 4, but instead the integer of the random number generated:
int GenerateRandomN umber(){
int i;
i=rand(); /* I know it isn't really a random number, but used for demonstration only */
return i;
}
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Anyone who wanted to could run custom software before, the only difference now is that you don't have to install a custom firmware first. That's it.
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now you don't even need custom firmwares, just run prometheus iso loader and then run game iso
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what commercial games are coming out? hardly any except jap rpgs why?? well....
dreamcast - started out well, security got ripped apart, games stopped being made, dreamcast dies, sega nearly dies
psp - started promising, cfw made, less ans less games due to piracy, security now ripped apart, no games will get released, psp will die........
ps3 - not the best start in the world, biggest selling point being blueray drive, struggling to cope against xbox, poor xbox ports released, sub hd games, then security ripped open, less and less games will be released due to piracy, ps3 will die, sony will have big money problems
i kinda missed out ps1 and ps2, while there was a lot of piracy on both, they were so popular, it was still worth releasing games on both, bit like the ds, companies still got a good return, and to run pirated games you needed devices/hacks which alot of people dont like doing.
whereas with this method if you can just run anything, copied games etc without doing anything.........
you lot will moan about this but its true
team overflow and Mathieulh, you've gone one step too far, your names will go down in history as the 2@s who killed off the ps3 and psp, and possibly sony.... (they are struggling finacially at the moment, there game division has only just produce a profit, after releasing ps3)
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If it can be manipulated, people want it.
Not that the games market will tank entirely. SOMEONE has to buy it in some way, shape, or form. Even one or two pirates.
The hardware's kind of old. I'm suspecting that Sony was going to move on soon anyway. I hope that they at least learn from their mistakes regarding their homebrew policy.
Not that I don't understand the dislike of piracy, but it makes them look like they hate homebrew coders no matter what they actually say. I'm hardly the first to say that, but still...
Sorry, I started rambling, ha ha.
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I like me them battery plugins, UMD plugins, music plugins, ctf themes and emulators. So custom firmware is here to STAY ! Except soon you'll just need to run a "signed" EBOOT and that's it, "hacking" done.
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There already are too many shitty games that confirm this is already happening right now. The little thread the PSP is hanging on will get cut.
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This will be one for the history books
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psp2 & ps4 are sonys future now and i for one carnt wait to c what they bring. At least now this will give sony the push to move on and we've got our homebrew consoles to enjoy as well as new tech to look forward to.
great news
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We all get to party but its gonna have an effect on the consoles.
I bet sony might give up on both and hold their hurt ego rather tightly.
Getting close to moving on to the next gen so they might just give up on todays and start early.
Last minute to go get a PSP 3000 and PS3 for me it seems.
My PSP 2000 screen broke anyway and I've been waiting for a chance to use a 3000 model instead. Too lazy to go get a replacment screen heh. Guess I had a feeling something was gonna pop up.
I hope homebrew explodes with this. I can't wait to see what good the community will bring from this.
Still, I feel kinda bad for sony. They've tried so hard but it seems to have inspired the scene to make it to the top. Shoulda kept linux on there, guys, shoulda kept it. It was the best protection the ps3 ever could have had.
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who here hasn't had a go at sony she's nice n lubed up but you may wanna douche her 1st.
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R.I.P. SONY PSP 2005 - 2010
R.I.P. SONY PLAYSTATION 3 2006 - 2011
such great times promised by both of you, but your lives cut short, not by the competition, but by stupid hackers going that one step too far,
you'll always be in our hearts, on our credit card bill, and always missed
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but this could mean that games will stop developing for the psp and ps3.............they might stop the production of these consoles..............then what..????????
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Sony, suck a dick.
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Honestly, its sounding too good to be true, but it is very interesting. Lets see how it goes.
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without sony the whole gaming industry would be 10 years behind, they made it popular with the original ps1 and then the ps2
the dreamcast nearly killed off sega, why? because it was so easy to play pirate games
so if this does the same thing, psp and ps3 are just the living dead
who'll invest millions making games for something thats become the new dreamcast
idiots
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This only affects the KIRK chipset on the console, in the sense that it will allow CFW, and unsigned (Erm, Forged is a better term?) eboots/prx modules.
Doesnt necissarily mean that its going to support piracy. Look at TN-A/B, TN did not incorporate an ISO loader, and if we really wanted, we could prevent it.
This is just a repeat of what happened several years ago with dark alex. He found a way to create CFW for the phat, now we've broken the encryption after a couple years and found a way to put CFW on a Brite.
Sony will most likely do one of several things;
For PSP:
Option A: Create a new motherboard and put it in PSPs that are serviced, and probably introduce it quitely like the TA-90.
Option B: Abandon it in favor of the new PSP2 coming out.
for PS3:
Create a new motherboard.
Since this is a revelation of all the codes KIRK uses, its kind of moot to just say "They'll change the encryption". I dont think thats possible, even through a system update.
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And yes, sales would increase, but remember; Sony has a legal obligation to make their consoles secure and legit, no unsigned code, and no piracy in any fashion.
Honestly, I dont know how to look at this, whether as a blessing or a curse. One thing is for certain;
Got me back in the comment scene.
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Then you drop a bomb like the rest of your comment there.
Yes, Sony has a legal obligation, and yes, developers dont like making games on hacked systems (PSP has what? 10 releases a year compared to other consoles?)
Heres the thing tho; Something similar to this (DA never had to deal with a KIRK chip I dont think) has happened before, and what pioneered CFW. History is merely repeating itself in the PSP scene.
Sony wont invest any more cash in to the console. Why? Because they havea new toy coming out sometime in 2011.if it was even 6 months prior to this discovery, they probably ould be remaking the KIRK chipset as we speak.
And I thought the insane costs of Dreamcast was what mainly killed it. Compared to N64, it was like 2x more expensive per game, console, and controller. Kick ass games though.
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Some examples of a Homebrew App:
a Home Made game
Plugins
Testing Applications (Such as BlackSPEED)
Some Examples of Piracy:
ISOs (UNLESS, legally backed up and obtained through legal means (IE, not downloaded))
ROMS (for like NesterJ or snes9x)
In any case, this just allows us to create homebrew without needing a HEN or CFW to use it. Its revolutionary. This is basically doing what CFW does without the hazards it entails.
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Its clearly stated that this allows the use of Unsigned code by forging sony's signature.
Its not a app, its the codes itself, so thats like saying "I have a key to a car that doesnt exist, can I drive it?"
Now, if someone creates a iso loader, then yes, its possible. HOWEVER, the bigger question is, how did you obtain the ISOs? ANY ISO for PSP is illegally obtained simply due to the fact that theyre UMDs, and required hacked software to obtain them. BRDs, however, I assume are possible.
Save the questions until the coding itself is released. This is merely an update on the situation.
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Again, for your tiny hick brain; This is merely a discovery of the encryption code. Not a app, not anything. So asking when it will be released is kinda stupid unless youre a developer, in which case you'd already know form the head honchos themselves.
Be patient. Wait until something comes out to confirm this, then reap the benefits of it.
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Before you post anything of the sort, look at the past of sony (And not dreamcast, who lacked funding to constantly revamp their software)
PSP phats were hacked by DA and his team, and created CFW to run unsigned code on the console. Sony's response? Create several new motherboards before releasing slims, which were completely revamped.
PSP Slims were further hacked by the GEN team. Sony's response? release new motherboards (which by TA-88v3, they finally suceeded), while releasing brites.
Now, PSP Brites, finally released a HEN which runs on 6.20, and sony patched up through system updates. We've finally broken their code and are going to inject homebrew onto the psp 3000/go fort he second (TN was the first) time on the 6.xx kernel. Sony's responce? Who knows. If they repeat themselves, they'll release new motherboards, or even a new version, if not just abandon it for the PSP2.
PSP will follow suit, older versions could run linux, and theres already plenty of hard mods to allow the use of pirated games. Sony will most likely revamp the kirk chip and release it silently, cutting their losses.
Dont be so pessimistic to say sony's going to cut their consoles and full support. Look at it this way; Sony most likely will honor your waranty so they can replace the Kirk chip and take your hax away.
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Sorry, I meant PS3 there, not PSP.
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What your jsut said above is like saying "I hope cops learn their lesson and shoot every criminal on site now"
90% of psp/ps3 owners dont even know they can hack their psp. In all the times I've taken in PSPs at buybacks (about 100 or so times), I've NEVER seen a hacked console. Same goes for PS3, fat or slim.
that said, the gaming industry wont take a huge hit. Not initially in any case. Before things get rough for them, sony will most likely be workingo n the next generation console, like PS4 or PSP2
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In any case, yes. We'll have signed code, which means CFW is done. Its served well, but as long as sony doesnt change their encryption methods or their KIRK chipset, CFW will be a thing of the past.
as the french say;
viva la revolution!
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Am I suppose to wait for something to come out to use this or is there something out now?
Still new here.
Please reply, thank you.
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Ignorance is no excuse for no common sense.
In any case, this isnt a app. Its the coding that allows the apps to be run without the use of HEN or CFW.
So unless you're a developer, this doesnt effect you YET.
All oyu need to know is that in a few weeks, you can expect to run Homebrew on your PSP without CFW/HEN.
HOWEVER, I still wouldnt update your psp. I have a bad feeling about this revelation.
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As the people say the more the merrier...
we will see sooner or later...
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January 3, 2011 in Hen 6.35, release | 10 comments
Note: the version on this page is an updated version directly sent by Virtuous Flame himself, it is even “fresher” than the one on a9vg :)
Chinese developers ?????? (Virtuous Flame) and Coldbird posted a Hen for 6.35/6.31 a few hours ago on a9vg.com. Although I tested it quickly and could confirm it works on my PSP3000, I didn’t have the time to write a nice download page or even to update any of the Hen FAQs yet.
This Hen includes code to benefit from the extra 32MB of Ram :)
Many thanks to Virtuous Flame, and enjoy your gaming on 6.35 :)
How to install/run
1. download and install HBL for the sukkiri exploit here
2. download the Hen here for 6.35, or here for 6.31 (or alternate link here for 6.35, or here for 6.31)
3. replace hbl/menu/EBOOT.PBP with the EBOOT.PBP from the Hen
4. Enjoy
Source a9vg.com, thanks to tabootang for the tip!
Note: yes, the prometheus iso loader works on this Hen.
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it meansHAPPY NEW YEAR to all psp users , even for 6.31 and 6.35 ofw
greg is still sleeping i guess so he didnt saw this information .......
for download go check wololo.net
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6.35 HEN -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S...
6.31 HEN -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C...
- alternative downloads :
6.35 HEN -> http://wololo.net/download.php...
6.31 HEN -> http://wololo.net/download.php...
ENJOY !!
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And we dont completely own them. Theres still lv1 to be decrypted, which is being worked on. However, we now have plenty control over the consoles.
I'll give a week before a Forged ISO loader to come out.
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So until sony releases a new motherboard, all psps and ps3s are hackable by these means.
as for developing games, devs dont have much of a choice. Its either PSP or DS. They'll go PSP. Also, just because this came out doesnt mean the end. 90% of owners dont even know they can/could hack a psp/ps3.
Also, CFW still will be around for those who want it, and for plugins. Personally, I like my VSH menu =)
As wololo pointed out on his site; This is the equivelent to the first CFW and the Pandora's Battery back on the old phats. Its revoltuionary. I dont know how they cracked it, but they did.
Lesson to be learned? Dont piss off hackers. (Real hackers, not those idiots on FPS games that have no lives)
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Although I do wonder if it WOULD work with CFW. I know the IPL needs a signed FW to boot the psp... thats a good thing to look at.
Of course, if we can sign our own code then why do we need CFW in the first place?
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look at the bigger picture mate, you cant compare what dark alex and co did to this,
dark alex's system was good for homebrewers and for pirating isos,
but could everyone use it? no
would everyone use it who could use it? no
there was thge fear factor, people didn't want to brick there machines etc, alot of people dont like modding etc incase it 'invalidates there warrenty'
i did... and i did have the odd iso,
but if this means, like in the case of dreamcast, that you get a iso loader, and then possibly modded iso's that load direct on any standard ofw ps3/psp then we are screwed, no game company is going to waste money releasing games on that system.
If you can download a psp iso or pick up a ps3 copy for £5 or £10 from that guy down the pub or off a carboot, would you buy an original at £30/£40?
psp hardly has had any games for the last few years, and that was because of da and co, many companies have said psp piracy is too high, and only a relatively small amount of machines to those sold use cfw/pirated isos apparently,
blow it open and both psp and psp are screwed
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PS2 was hacked and pirated beyond belief, and Sony still kept making PS2s, and still does. And Sony still got money out of it, and it still got many great games, and also still sold shitloads of games -- although it could have sold a lot more if there was no piracy, but yet developers still made a buck out of it.
There is CFW for the PSP since forever. And it still got some great games this past year. And Sony is also getting money from those, otherwise the PSP scene would be dead by now... but it isn't! And it's not going to die just yet. At least not until PSP2 comes out. You can expect the same thing for the PS3. And besides it's not as easy to download one PS3 game as it is to download a PSP game.
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i said before, alot of people dont like to tamper with there machines, i've compared this new method to dreamcast as it was that easy on that machine, which died very quickly once it was.
ps2 needed chipping, and sold a lot better than ps3 has, so again the ratio of people who were able to play copies to those who had to buy them was a lot lower, so still making it worthwile releasing new games
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Furthermore the Pandora's Battery to this day is still the most venerable and reliable way to downgrade a psp.
Now we've cracked the code, the very same code thats bee the bane of Slims and Brites and even GOs for the last 3+ years
Perhaps you're right. its not on the same level, but still, We've now gained almost full access to sony consoles.
Theres still plenty of psp titles being developed. For UMD releases, theres about 10 a year or so, but online, theres more.
So on the PSP scene, I dont think it'll affect it much.
Now, PS3 however, thats indeed a different story. I didnt bring this point up simply because this site is for psp, not ps3.
PS3 still has Wii and XBox 360 to compete with. XBox 360 still can fight with ps3 for graphics, sony just had better hardware (with the exception to security). With sony being completely exposed, unless theres a way for sony to fix it, 360 will take the lead in game development for home consoles.
But, as far as handhelds are concerned, I doubt the market will change much for PSP. If anyhting, it'll boost a few sales. I prefer hard copies, btw, and I paid 200$ for my Peacewalker pack. I like havin the case and manuals to the games, I read em when I'm bored, and when I need some guidance. But, thats me.
Now, so you dont take this the wrong way, you're points are EXTREMELY valid, and I definitely agree with many of them. However, This is unprecedented, and now we really dont know what will happen on the ps3 scene (we're jsut expecting sony to abandon psp for psp2.)
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This, coupled with the high costs of the console and games is what killed SEGA and Dreamcast.
Sony's PS3 is expensive when compared to other consoles. Furthermore, with no security now, people will copy the games, and sony will lose money.
I dont think it will kill them. They have other markets to keep them alive. However, it may pull them out of the home console business.
Furthermore, It hurts developers too. They get a share o the profits to recoup the costs to develop the game. If they dont make enough, they die out or just say screw it and move to just 360 or wii.
That said, I also think 90% of people who post here are pessimistic thinking its going to bring the demise. I'm sure sony has a way to patch it and make our lives hell again. If not, they'll find a way to survive, or just pull from the home console market.
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And it wasnt the security itself that failed, it was another flaw if I'm not mistaken that pointed to how to obtain the keys.
I'm sure sony can put a better encryption. Hell, they might revamp the KIRK chip, and put a better algorithm in it to prevent this form ever happening again.
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2011 will definitely be interesting tho
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The easiest, cheapest, and fastest way to deal with the problem is to revamp KIRK and release it on a new motherboard.
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Also, PSP 2 will probably be released either a little early due to this discovery, or a little later due to new measures taken to redo KIRK.
either way, PSP is almost completely mapped.
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Game boys/nds were pirateables and emulable in computers and Nintendo is not falling down, why everyone worry? Also it would be better if this push Sony to launch a Ps4 and Psp2 with hardware updates because Ps3 and Psp are now outdated, even an Ipod had better graphics than Psp and a middle computer have better looking games than Ps3 (when its multiplatform like Mass Effect 2, etc)
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If this is all true, at the least it will mean that either they will abandon the console gaming market, or a quicker release for the (probably unhackable) PS4 and PSP2.
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Are you sure you configured everything right?
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-monster hunter portable 3rd
-the 3rd birthday
-final fantasy xiii : agito
and others wich i cant remember right now , check youtube or other psp game sites before u flame
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I cannot wait for this to release... I am so buying a GO or a 3000... one of the two for sure
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You're complaining for the wrong reasons, my friend.
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Besides, you won't have to "sign" a plugin if you write a FW that accepts them.
Oh, and FYI: any FW we create is, by definition, CFW...signed or no. CFW won't "still be usefull", it will "still be required".
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Anybody else need a word to be defined?
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The DS has been completely hackable for years, and THAT is going strong. Everyone saying this will destroy PSP gaming is either stereotyping people who follow the scene, or pirates judging everyone by their own standards. Unit sales will, at least temporarily, increase for one, the vast majority of gamers who are ) repulsed by piracy, b) casual/semi-casual gamers, c) ignorant of technology, and d) uninterested in this stuff will ignore it.
This will finally make the Go the amazing piece of tech sony claimed it would be (Delicious irony :D).
It will also teach them to stop trying to exploit us and make the people who owned a PS1 (Considering it was GOD back when it was released, I would say most of us over 12) buy the games they already own.
It will add to the portability, since people won't have to carry their games and cases, they can back them up instead.
Of course there'll be pirates, but pirates didn't kill the DS (Flashcarts), PS2 (Swapmagic), Xbox (Linux method), Wii (cIos), or even PC (Ripping a game and using a virtual drive), nor did it destroy the PSP when it was a Pandora battery and an MMS, in fact, I am sure those things helped ship a lot of consoles and accessories, which would, at the very least, minimize the losses from piracy.
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In fact, we may see more CFW's akin to Linux distros.
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Logically speaking, I don't really see what they could do to fix this. This isn't a hack, it's not a workaround that sneaks code past their security, it's a full fledged theft of their security system. And no matter what they change, software of hardware, those old keys still need to work...or else, as I mentioned before, a lot of people will have useless PURCHASED software sitting around.
That having been said, I highly doubt this will "end" either system. Particularly in the PS3's case, the industry's been moving more and more to exclusively online content and gameplay for years...if there's any front they could still protect themselves on, it's subscriptions. Sure, this may hurt the sales of physical media, but that market's been going downhill for years, anyway. Don't worry, you'll still get new games.
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I know a lot of people who have Wii's and would never consider getting them chipped, and its not like you can nip in Gamestation and pick up a DS Flashcart. You have to look at it this way, a lot of people think that piracy is illegal, and they are right, we are committing the crimes, not them, and we are in the minority.
I dont know the exact figures but the Playstation 1 + 2, DS,and WII, have sold in multi-millions, for e.g. if PS2 sold 10million and 10% of owners pirate games you still have 9 million potential customers for a game.
If this is, as implied here, that you could load copied games on official firmware, PSP or PS3, without any modification, i.e. your Grandad could do it.... then this will be bad, like the console you failed to mention but others have, Sega Dreamcast, yeah maybe it had a few reasons for bombing, costs etc, but all i remember is bootdisc came out, then copies came out that didn't need a bootdisc, then they stopped releasing games and it died.
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we need a poll:-
who's just thinking free games?? :)
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The Dreamcast had many other issues, one of which being it's predecessor. Playstation is one of the most popular and profitable brands in the world, whereas Sega's integrity had taken a massive dive, as had their standing with developers.
Besides, anyone willing to pirate will find a way, be it buying a hackable PSP, or emulating games. This just makes it easier for them.
Industries don't die because of piracy alone.
Things bomb for a variety of reasons, and piracy is just a factor.
Piracy just helped the dreamcast's inevitable demise.
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I'm really not saying that, but I am saying that people have said that before. If it looked like I was saying something along those lines, then sorry.
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They do still develop for this thing, there still actually are some decent games coming out, and whether this is here or not, I plan to buy said decent games, personally. Rip them for the sake of speed? Probably. Even the imports.
Perhaps we should've waited until they officially abandoned the thing.
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are you shittin' me?
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Still being able to sign your own code is a fricking HUGE advance!! I expected service mode on unhackable boards before this… And (Noob question) how does the ability to sign code affects the pre-IPL issue? PSP isn’t completely open until it’s security mesures are rendered useless.
If I’m correct this is the only thing standing on the way of the PSP 3000+GO and “full” CFW
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My PS3 does not get hacked, because i want to play with my friends online.
and my PSP CAN play all games, which are out
so why does this information be necessary for me?
E-Mail me for answeres please
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And oh, if Sony really want to stop piracy, they need to stop attacking the PSP and used game market here in the US and Europe. Go around the world. Travel to places like Southern Asia and Africa. Those people are stealing their asses off, and no one can stop them. I can't blame these pirates either, because these game developers don't sell their games there, at least not through accredited businesses. A 10 dollar game could easily cost 75 dollars in these places. Create a market in these places, stop hounding us, treat your customers right and Sony can revive their consoles. Till then, HACK AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your call, Sony. Your call.
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They can never fix it, either - anything not signed with these particular keys wouldn't run (that's the entire point of encryption). They'd have to push an update signed with the existing keys that changes all code to use a different signing key, and this has a few problems:
-Anyone could just patch that out of the update and re-sign it.
-All existing games would stop working, since they aren't signed with the new key.
-It's not even possible because a lot of that code is burned into ROM where it can never be changed, period.
The best they could do is change the firmware of all new units to use a new signing key and have a hash-based whitelist of all existing games so that it would accept those without allowing them to be modified (even if signed). And since they weren't clever enough to use a hash tree, they'd have to go through the entire disc and hash every single byte every time you try to start a game, which would take bloody forever.
So yeah, pwned, game over, epic fail. (I'm no crypto expert so do feel free to correct me on these points...)
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(I realize Homebrew Channel is not a piracy tool, but I figure most of the pirates probably have it installed too.)
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wii hacking is as easy as copy/pasting. xbox 360 was hacked long ago too. both are still alive.
why would the ps3 have a different fate?
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people who even know about the ps3 being cracked open, ps3 dongles to play games off hdd. there are not alot of people who know about this stuff!!!!! i try to talk to people about it and since its so groundbreaking to me, i get looked at like an alien. the pirate thats 1 in 100 shouldnt be looked at so bad because the other 99 people go out to walmart and buy their games normally thus creating money for devs and sony.
so lets not hear how piracy cripples the gaming industry.
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but still OMFG THIS IS AWESOME HEY a question here does this mean we do not have to get cfw and play isos directly through you XMB???? pls answer
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a pirated copy doesn't equal a lost sale
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remember our beloved ps1?, even after piracy happened then, sony didn't stop making games until they got bored.
then ps2 came, ps2 games soon have been pireted after the release of the console and still sony got high sales, that's why until now ps2 games are still being made.
so don't look at this as a bad rather a great thing, sony can still make alot of money and we will soon see another console made by them.
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1-Dreamcast died because the failure of the Saturn left Sega with such a low budget margin they couldn't afford to sign on many of the games that were coming out on the ps1 and ps2 and Sega decided to cut their loses and become a software specific company. Piracy of it's games occured later.
2-PSP made the sales it did because it was originally open source. The reason many games quit being made was because it's games kept getting bad reviews so they cut their losses and many games ment to come out over the last two years were delayed for the psp2 since it would basically be a portable ps2. Piracy effected it very little. If anything it boosted sales for it...
3-PS3 is not okay, it's great. It's hardware and software statistics match with some of the most common computer gaming setup. Piracy has hurt it very little and within 2 years (it's been around for more than a half a decade already by the way, one of the longest running systems outside ps2) they are going to announce the next ps platform and online gaming isn't fully manipulatable with a hacked system anyways. Plus they went back to the layering discs like with the ps1, (which is why modern ones don't use ps2 software, it can be manipulated and opens weaknesses) so making a fake disc it all but impossible with a full on hack job.
4-The PS2 was hackable, it's still one of the top selling systems in the world and it's over a decade old.
5-The PS1's disc design and software made it one of the hardware platforms to ever hack and most game pirating from it came from companies overseas making them, not one or two people.
DVD, you need to do some research but you waste time typing so I don't have to keep correcting you.
The fact it's been done is great. Proving once again human ingenuity and perseverance can pervail. No security system is great until it's proven outdated. Just because it's been done doesn't mean it must be abused but it lets us know that when my ps3 becomes as outdated as my psp phat I'll be able to do more with it than stare at it like I did my xbox before I took a sledgehammer to it. Thanks for the great work, fail0verflow and Mathieulh. Can't wait to see what great things come from your dedications blueprints.
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Get over it.
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of course im happy too.. but i have a one question for you people. If you are the who one make the sony psp or other game consoles of sony and your business got ruined bcoz of the hackers who keeps ruining everything (of course by everything you know what I mean) what will you do??
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Thats like saying "windows is customizable so its COS (Custom Operating System". I dont want nor need to write my own kernel, therefore I simply avoid it if possible.
In any case, I did mistake my own writings, because you're correct. CFW will still be around for those who want it. However, its use will signifigantly drop. Especially because pirates will only want the iso loader, not plugins or homebrew.
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That said, its been 4+ years since a new generation of consoles has hit the market, so sony will probably use this opportunity to make the next gen console with even stronger security.
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Sony's most likely going to cut their losses on the psp because theyre probably launching PSP2 in 2011 Q1
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Valkryia Chronicles II
What Did I Do To Deserve This My Lord?! 2
No Heroes Allowed!
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable
Phantasy Star Portable 2
Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep
All of which released on UMD in the USA during 2010.
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If you want to go by technicalities, HEN would be CFW aswell. So why are we calling it HEN and not CFW?
Yes, CFW will still be desired by those who want it. And plugins still will be nice to have, in example, Time Battery Percent is one I'm fond of. Another is CXMB. NEITHER of these have been incorporated into a CFW when a majority of the people want it and download it.
Now, if you want to make us all a CFW to run everything and support everything, not to mention personally sign every eboot you come across, be my guest. Otherwise, we already get the point; CFW wont die. It'll drop in use as more eboots are signed, and will remain with those who want the VSH menu and plugins. And before you say anything else, you said it yourself; Any modified firmware is CFW.
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DS is hackable though a flash card, hence no drop in sales. (because a majority of the hackers are too lazy to buy devices to hack)
Now that the psp requires virtually nothing to hack it, since we just sign our code, wouldnt that make it on a worst level than anything else hackable? (In the sense that sony will lose devs)
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DS, PSP, PS3, PS2, XBox, Xbox 360, Wii, hell, even GameCube, all hacked.
DS still has high sales and plenty of cheap games coming out.
PSP still has plenty of title releases, scroll above to see them in several replies.
PS3 is in the same boat as psp
PS2 still is on the market and still having new games published.
Xbox is dead due to its successor.
360 still has a large player base, and plenty of new games coming out.
Wii isnt doing hot because of devs not using the system. Nintendo also doesnt like publishing more mature games *cough*grandthe ftautolikegames *cough*
Gamecube also fell to its successor.
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I know that its illegal to use linux in japan, but firefox is not. Both are open source.
I think the policy is this; Any open Source program that can potentially support piracy is illegal.
Which would mean Sony has to keep their code as closed source, and which would explain the ban on linux.
I'm probably wrong, but thats what I've been told from friends whove visited japan.
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Games won't stop being launched just because there's hacks out there, who the fuck told you that? A lot of consoles had hacks like the PS2, and it was a freaking success. Not to mention the big exclusive library from the PS3, that can beat most multiplatform games out there. You're right about the fail start, but since 2008, they have been putting things in order.
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2: Its illegal for ANY company to sell ANYTHING that condones piracy. The problem is Piracy is too generic of a term, and homebrew many time falls under that term.
3: Its also illegal and unlawful, not to mention a violation of your ToS/EULA to modify the original software of many devices (including windows, where windows retains the modification rights (yea, you're pretty much just buying the license to USE windows, not modify it on the kernel level) to its kernel. Technically, if anyone bothered to read the EULA on the updates, its against the terms of use to modify the XMB and sony's original firmware IN ANY WAY.
Please do your homework before you post idiotic things liek this. I know I'm wrong 25% of the time, but at least I do my homework.
Oh and a protip; dont trust Google.
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The SOFTWARE is NOT yours. The SOFTWARE belongs to sony.
Thats all I'm going to contribute to this string.
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But, your point is indeed valid; Older homebrew apps most likely will be abandoned and remain unsigned. Thats going to be one of hte big reasons CFW will still be around.
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So unless you're a developer, this is just news to say that you may not need CFW within the next month. Or, that perma CFW may make its first debut on the "unhackables".
The possibilities are truely endless.
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With the psp, you have to at least buy the system if you want to pirate because there are no psp emulators (that work decently).
Is the ds dead? No.
Psp wont die either, if you make a good system with good games, it will sell, period.
People have been saying pc gaming is dead for 10 years, and it never died. Sony wont die because of this either.
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1. Sony's game division won't shut down. A PS4 or PSP2 release can easily fix this or they can just sit down and do nothing. Too few people pirate games, let alone hack their systems to cause any major problems. If anything, this should boost their sales.
2. A firmware update can't fix this, and even if it can, the new keys will prevent older games from running, which will REALLY piss off PS3 and PSP owners.
3. Once the PS3 or PSP gets into MY hands, after I have paid for them, I can do whatever I want with them, including unlocking them anyway I want without infringing on anyone's rights. They can't sue anyone. The best Sony could do is to bribe Mathieulh, which is pretty useless in this case, because the keys are already out there.
4. Since you're so averse to hacking, what are you doing here?
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You got number 3 wrong. Technically it is illegal to mod your console, even if you have payed for it. Sony has that shit trade marked and when you mod the console you are infringing on the trade mark.
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What we have here is the keys to sign homebrew code, right? It's of no use for the end-user right now...
So a future possibility is some dev putting out an EBOOT file encrypter that can be executed from the PC.
You run the executable in your PC, encrypt the EBOOT file with it, put the encrypted file in your PSP/PS3 with OFW and you are now able to run homebrew in OFW.
amidoinitrite?
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troll.
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is there any hope for it this time??
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Anyway, I don't think it'll make a huge impact on the PS3 or the PSP, the majority of the market are probably people who wouldn't know the first thing about pirating.
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I'm hoping that someone like the original XBMC can be brought over to the PS3 and PSP, although with the PSP being "open" for so long, if they were going to do it they'd have done it by now.
If you haven't seen the latest XBMC, it looks fantastic, and the sooner it's brought to the Sony consoles the
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once a console is hacked sales increase for sure,, but who is to say if its people that want to run homebrew or people that want to run illigal games, how do you know?
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(If thats the case then I'll just update since the updates can't change the value of the keys)
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lol people who come to a place called "psp-hacks" to preach.
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I'm don't have a PSP any more, and last i had any thing to do with it was when i released "TOTALNewbi easyInstaller" back in the day's if any one can remember. So pleas do not flame me if the firmware dosen't work like the PS3 with self and all that :)
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Now that we have the keys for the FW's, you probably will see more/better incorporations as it got that much easier to implement. Again, I say this will cause more FW's, not fewer. At the very least, there will be enough modifications to allow current plugins and tweaks to make it Custom.
I haven't even talked about eboots because, as you said, the freely available Sony signature has made FW modification in that respect unnecessary. The thing to remember is that eboots aren't the only things that the PSP hacking scene is about.
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I currently have a wii, modded with software and a usb loader. This set up is great as my kids damage cd's/dvd's when ever they are near them.
If i can have my ps3 with the same set up, then great.
I would still buy the games, im just protecting my investment.
On another note..... Sony will ride this out, tbh they have had a good run with the ps3 with reguards piracy.
Can we see a ps4???? The ps3 is fully upgradeable.
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I know alot of peeps who mod and even more that dont.
Sony have customers to serve.... They wont let game developers pull out surely.
As for peeps saying about the xbox... Y would you want a system that uses a dead format that is not compatible with films..... I see a ps3 as an entertainment hub... I love my nas drive lol...
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These are just my nooobish views on the matter lol.
I just hpe for a usb loader :)
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Its a working pandora to the v3 2000 and maybe 3000 can help recovery for the thuosands of lame flashed psp motherboards (like a original pandora some years ago).
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Thanks
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A PS2 emu would be icing on the cake.
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obvious, unoriginal, wrong, no-one cares about your personal opinion..
I'm also annoyed at myself for posting because i'm being slightly hypocritical, though i justify myself because at least I realise it.
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Hopefully sony does get out of the gaming business, it will make room for a real system manufacturer like SEGA to get back into the game. Still use my Saturn and Dreamcast to play games more than I can say for my xboxs or playstation since both of those are only still around because they are hacked, banned, or because they make an alright media player and wouldn't be worth the trouble to try and sell or because they play my SEGA MegaDrive roms.
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Whatever you say feeding of the talent of others with nothing in return is plain bad.
If you were them, would you be glad if the thing you invested on and created with blood and sweat was just taken away with nothing in return in a whim....
Honestly, No..
I, myself am guilty of this and am nowhere proud of it.
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Just over one million.
After selling 84 million consoles, that means it's just barefuly over 1% of wii users. By now It may be a whopping 2%
Besides that, PSP outsold 360s, (65mil to 51mil)
PS3 only sold 46mil, which is by far the lowest, but not necessarily that bad, if every ps3 owner buys 3 games, which is pretty much NOTHING for a lot of gamers (casuals dont buy a ps3) then that's an instant 60-180 dollar profit on top of the PS3 sale itself.
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Its not nice to tease people.
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Stop saying the same shit as everyone else and put a fucking release date or link up here.
All everyone is saying is "Sony is fucked" or talking about game sales.
Nobody cares about the technical shit...that's for the hackers
We just want what the hackers come out with and if your not supplying than this post is pointless.
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TA HAHAH AAH A HA AHHAHAHAHAHAA. Wankers! You filthy sods thought that was legit! Sod off! Right?! This news is really good news for all the console consumers. The sky's the limit now. Wank off now! You can take CFW and toss them out the window. No more Bricks or freeze ups. Piss Off!
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brilliant? time will tell.
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Game sales = mainly income for game developers
Hardware sales = the real income
What's that? Why yes sir, some games are made in-house thus produce higher income for Sony, but that's all of about 10 games released for the PS3 at the moment(and in my personal opinion they aren't that spectacular). Those games released by other developers make an average income of around $10 per copy for Sony.
So what you should be doing is protesting for the developers who actually rely on game sales to stay afloat. Sony can take care of itself, even if they do make bad decisions and have to cut production/jobs because of it.
Might aswell start blaming pirates for the 5 years of Sony losing money in the TV business if you're going to blame us for Sony's current condition.
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Nintendo regularly takes no loss on their systems because all of their systems are so cheaply made. They develop them and price them with profit in mind on each console. So regardless if the games sell well or not, they're not losing money, but not gaining as much as if games were selling(which always do.)
Just like all pirates, you have to make up some sort of bogus excuse why you pirate games and can't show respect to the developers who worked hard into creating these games.
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