Sony Vs. The Hardcores Day #2

Submitted by greg; January 13, 2011

I'm curious how this'll all pan out... I mean, I'm sure Sony can afford some pretty slick shysters, but geohot on the other hand, read his defense (19-main.pdf & 19-1.pdf), and it would seem he and his lawyer(s) know exactly what's up. You can familiarize yourself with the ongoing Hollywood-esque case here. In a quick summary: Sony is crying and going after the hackers who crippled their security (fail0verflow) and exposed all their encryption keys (geohot). It's an interesting DMCA case and courtesy of psx-scene are all the latest supporting court documents from both sides. They make for a good read. Download: Sony Vs Hackers PDF Legal Docs - source: psx-scene

Tags: Court Docs, DMCA, Geohot, PDF, PS3 Legal Filings, Sony

Well, I suppose this means PS4 will come around the horizon soon then. If Firmware updates won't fix this issue, Sony is in Microsoft's shoes then.
The way I see it, were angering Sony and I'm hoping we just don't get them mad enough to dish out where they make us pay for internet like Microsoft. Guess will just see how far this goes ;)

# cyrax 2011-01-13 14:00

does anybody know how long it takes till a decision comes.

# cyrax 2011-01-13 14:02

i am still waiting for bm... is there any hacker alive...you could post it on megaupload

# Yusayoh 2011-01-13 14:05

GTFO.

# chris 2011-01-13 14:09

let´s hope they free from this without any restriction or something that prevents them from staying in the scene.

# DNA142 2011-01-13 14:17

soooooooooooooo ooooooooo......... >:(

when will we be able to run backups ??!

has anyone thought about making an app that patchs a game so you can run it from xmb,i know the patching can be done manually but it way over my nooby head,and i think it's the case for a lot of us here

the same(or somewhat similar) app is available to decrypt psp games, patch them and re-encrypt them,and it even works form the xmb of the psp(iso-tool x.xx)

anyway i just want to run wipeout hd fury,if someone could be kind enough to help me?anyway possible?

# sex instructor 2011-01-13 14:18

With all the suing going on hackers are afraid to go anywhere near that BM stuff. I don't blame them I wouldn't wanna get sued either!

# cyrax 2011-01-13 14:26

yes you are right but i don t think that geohot or failoverflow will be punished anyway. even the professor of pittsburgh doesn t think so.

the hackers could public the bm secretly

# Coder 2011-01-13 14:26

Sony cant do anything to them!!

# DanishDude 2011-01-13 14:27

I'm sure the Bootmanagers and everything else will come no matter what happens..... The hackers are not afraid of sony... they develop in big style atm... just using different or no names....
Just too piss on sony.....

# natsu 2011-01-13 14:27

yeah awesome,now there is a way to downgrade 3.55 to 3.41!!!Go to ps groove and read the news!

# dice888 2011-01-13 14:29

I don't think were gonna see any backup manager from geo or fail since sony can take action for a backup manager being created. but for now the only thing sony can accuse them of is compromising security of their software which wont really hold up in court cause we purchase the ps3 so we are entitled to do whatever we want with it. the only illegal thing would be having backups of games you don't own and even then u can get around that by saying its for "demo" purposes only. this is gonna be an interesting battle. either sony wants to scare the community by suing the big guys, or they really have something up their sleeve. so far sony is succeeding in their scare tactics. but we should really band together and pick up where the giants left off instead of just waiting for it to come. but so far its been a little hard to follow in their footsteps, they are the best for a reason.

# Nofew 2011-01-13 14:34

Oh, for God's sake, people, stop asking about backup managers, especially now!

How much common sense does it take? Seriously! Two of the greatest hackers I barely know are in deep legal trouble and all you care about is getting off with $20 worth of games?! It's obvious ANYONE asking for a backup manager, or a way to run .iso's, or a way to do some other discless launch is a pirate. Enough. Seriously, people.

-pants- Okay, on topic now..

I'm no lawyer, but I laughed my face off last night when I read the "Complaint". There's so many loopholes in that document and way too many inaccuracies. Sony obviously has no idea what they're doing.

On a similar token, so far, all the tools released only seem to run if one has the knowledge to compile them. I say, we try to keep it this way. Seeing the comments on previous entries, I like to think it's stopped most pirates in their tracks. Keep things open source (Or at least obfuscated, but not compiled), keep things Linux-based, and I think Sony's safe from any gigantic profit losses.

In short: Sony, find better lawyers or bring OtherOS back in your next update. It certainly can't get any *worse*.. Frankly, all some of us want is a nice octal core CPU to run as a server. Geohot, good luck, not that you need it though. Fail0verflow, I don't know your situation as well as Geohot's, but good luck just the same. Everyone else out there only looking to run some nifty homebrew and rock out with Linux, cheers. Pirates (Or people seeking backup managers), shut it. PSN games and blu-ray are fast enough. I like the vintage feel of handling optical media. If you guys can't get up and put a disc into your PS3's drive, it's no wonder you can't hold a job and pay $20-40 for a game. If you can't afford that, you really shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

# Jordan 2011-01-13 14:35

Sony will loose. The team hasn't done anything illegal. I would think sony taking away linux. And as for Geohot and Sony's code on his website, I would think unless that particular sequence of hex keys were protected by law (Copywrite) he hasn't done anything either. I wish we could sue sony for something.

# SpawnOfJago 2011-01-13 14:36

Again...Sony is wrong. After analyzing the said affidavit, SCEA has no brains. *First they go the cheap route with their security measures. *Secondly, they COMPLETELY goof up by not using random numbers in a random number security system,smh. Third, they file court papers without actually doing their homework,i.e. Hotz is not bound by SCEA terms of service as he has never had a PSN account(so epic). Next, instead of filing separate suites they go the cheap route again and file 1 suite with multiple defendants which are not even affiliates therefore everyones crimes are different but you accuse them of all the same thing, won’t work. They then proceeded to donate a dollar into Mr. Hotz paypal account to say he extorts money for his “counterfeiting services” not realizing they shot themselves in the foot by “enticing criminal activity”. And lastly, (even though I can go on), They contradict themselves by saying and I qoute from the Declaration in Support pg.5 “Once these devices are in the hands of consumers, the loss of control over SCEA’s copyrighted material is permanent and irreparable.” Now you say your loss is permanent and irreparable but state in other provinces that you can fix this with UPDATES yet file a suite saying this is permanent and irreparable. This is perjury and can cost SCEA the case with just this defense alone. I hate to admit it but SCEA is a very sloppy company. Even in the quality of games. Look at all the noticeable lines on the screen when playing a ps3 game that is also on 360. I hate MS as they are a company that tries to over charge for everything but they are a quality staff,ok enough about those lozers. My point, Sony is sloppy and so is their thinking. SCEA they only fail “Everything”! EIPoDT!

# carlos 2011-01-13 14:38

sony has to let us hack our ps3's i paid for my ps3 i have the right to do whatever i want with it!

# letmehave em 2011-01-13 14:41

new backup manager released for 3.55 well done gorgo

# xstokerx 2011-01-13 14:42

Its funny cuz u can get a jailbreak usb stick that does all the stuff these guys are doing and more it emables bm and I don't see scea sueing them

# SONYFAILS! 2011-01-13 14:42

But what gives you the right to play a console and not any of us ? Just cause we can't afford a console we still have the right to play it so don't start sayng stuff ' of if you can't afford it don't buy it' Sure piracy hurts game developers but please just put yourself in a 15 yr olds shoes and imagine you couldn't afford any games and really wanted to play some =/

# Bighead 2011-01-13 14:44

Watch Sony did this just to create more drama only later to make a movie on geohot life and cash in on the movie. Lol

# BeGamer 2011-01-13 14:46

Hmm... So much for Geohot helping with the PS4. Lawl!

Guys you really can't call it exortion...Seriosly! He didn't blackmail anyone. D:

# letmehave em 2011-01-13 14:47

all geohot needs to do is tell them they have rights to do anything to there ps3 cause they have brought it for there own use and legally allowed to change the way ps3 looks there are no laws saying that they cant change the cover of there ps3 or programe it to generates multiple graphics so there you go sony eat your downgrader and psn network sucks any way with there rip of prices for games that they have no rights anyway

# Bammmm 2011-01-13 14:48

sony just lose like apple

# jeremy 2011-01-13 14:51

This right here... is the most interesting part of the entire document. ***
Mr. Hotz has never utilized an account with PayPal in connection with any activity relating to the Playstation computer. Affidavit of George Hotz ¶ 7. In fact, Mr. Hotz expressly tells people on his website not to give him donations for his efforts. Even more harmful to Sony’s personal jurisdiction argument, the only evidence put forward of Mr. Hotz’ Paypal account appears to be a transaction initiated by the plaintiff.
***

# bolo 2011-01-13 14:51

what?

# FleebleFlable 2011-01-13 14:54

If Sony fucks up really bad with this case then hackers will be untouchable for a while and depending how far they take it could also define a more broader list of what we can do with the PS3. Sony, be careful on your scare tactic or you could be put into a similar position like Gravity (Makers of Ragnarok online)........Hopefully.

# jeremy 2011-01-13 14:55

oh didnt mean to submit so fast... so basically sony tried to "donate" money to him in order to accuse him of accepting money for his projects. I think that right there should be entraptment or something along that nature and deserves a countersuit! Mr. Hotz you need to request impoundment of all SCEA equiptment including usb sticks dvds and other forms of data.

# BrownMuffin 2011-01-13 14:58

I made a tool to build PKG, no hard stuff only copy some files to a folder.

Here is the link: http://www.ps3-hacks.com/forum...

# jeremy 2011-01-13 14:58

haha im reading it right now, as the original poster said, it is an interesting read! I like the quote by geohots lawyer that says, the tro is useless because all the jailbreak stuff is out there already. The cat is not going to go back into the bag!

# Animus 2011-01-13 14:58

link please

# SCEA 2011-01-13 15:10

"Gives dollar... quietly..."

OMG LOOK!!! HE'S PROFITING OFF OF US AND OUR WORK!!! NEVERMIND WE GIVE HIM THE MONIES!!! HE GOT THE MONIES!!!

# Brick 2011-01-13 15:11

STFU.
Add something intelligible to the conversation, or go away...

# Brick 2011-01-13 15:13

Epic... FAIL!

# jack 2011-01-13 15:17

anybody better not be requesting a BackupManager now because i will teleport to you and kick your ass!!
Example: Post #2

# jeremy 2011-01-13 15:19

haha gorgo you just cant resist huh? i thought you had a website? im still waiting to see it!

# Navani 2011-01-13 15:20

I love how they gave him a dollar haha. I wonder if it counted as a business expense for Sony. More seriously, he got the key using OtherOS I believe.. and in his lawyer's reply to the lawsuit, it says nothing of extortion so I'm assuming that's a legitimate cause they do not have an answer for, unless I missed it when I read the pdf.

And for everyone crying for a backup manager, it'll come at some point. Stop "boycotting" Sony for protecting their property, as stupidly as they choose to do it, and I can support the BM until A) a legitimate way to replace broken/damaged discs fruits and B) when digital copies of games are cheaper than physical copies, because I'm sure bandwidth is much cheaper than transportation, packaging, etc.

# jeremy 2011-01-13 15:23

its funny too because i have a paypal account and if someone sends me money its not like i have to accept it or not, it just goes straight to my account, how do you guys know they gave him a dollar though? i did not see the amount given, did i overlook?

# Average Joe 2011-01-13 15:24

Is the scene dead again? Is this all we're going to talk about now? At least enable MKV play back...geezuz

# John 2011-01-13 15:26

I'm waitting for BD emulation support in the CFW aswell. And for all of you who say "Oh, I don't condome piracy, that's bad, you shouldn't do it", I say STFU!!! I bet it's the main reason why you jailbreaked your PS3, to play pirated games, you just don't wanna admit because of your noobiness.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 15:27

Dido.

# Average Joe 2011-01-13 15:28

@greg: did you actually read geohot's defense papers? I doubt any has.

# jeremy 2011-01-13 15:29

i know, even if the machine ruins the game, like the xbox problem where it puts that deep ring around the game, and it is not always the users fault for bumping it, (hasnt happened to me yet but i know it happens) there is nothing you can do except maybe trade the game in to gamestop for like 6 bucks off a new copy. All this talk about paying for the license to play the game not the actual physical disc, but if you lose the disc your license to play the game goes with it. I like the idea of digital copies except, once you buy the game... its yours forever whether you like it or not you couldnt sell or give the game as a gift or handmedown, gamestop and other companys would go out of business. So... backup managers seem to be the best way to go! maybe they should just start issuing cdkeys and not allow to copys of the same cdkey on their network at the sametime and just allow backup managers.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 15:30

All that I can see happening is Sony failing at suing Geohot (Suing Fail0verflow), in such a way that the court tells Geohot to make sure no piracy happens, because lets face it, the PS3 is now owned by the real owners.

# jeremy 2011-01-13 15:33

Why would anyone want to go around incriminating themselves? thats like saying you dont use your computer for porn you also like to go to other websites, You liar you are just a porn junky! Im sure if a backup manager NEVER comes out everyone will still jailbreak their ps3 if they knew it wouldnt get banned just because it enables even more.

# HuggyNuggy 2011-01-13 15:33

Wipeout HD Fury is already playable on 3.41
Don't know about 3.41+

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 15:34

It's true. Damn backup managers = Hax0rz in court. So really, can you people stop bitching about the damn backup managers?

# SplitMethod 2011-01-13 15:35

This is good because this is going to be a dawn to a victory for hackers.

# HuggyNuggy 2011-01-13 15:39

Wow. You are probably the first person I 100% agree with here!
Finally someon that knows how to post a sensible comment!

As I said before:
"If you can't afford your games, you shouldn't have bought a gaming system!"

And:
"Homebrew all the way, emulators, XBMC-clones, better videoformat support and much more!!!

# Brick 2011-01-13 15:40

No, you didn't overlook. I read all the pages, and I didn't see it. (Unless I overlooked... haha)

The amount is immaterial... that fact that he received it is what they were trying to prove. On the flip side, now it's more of what they were trying to do.

If I were GeoHot, I'd be counter suing the Hell out of them...

Or releasing what they fear most into the wild...

# Brick 2011-01-13 15:42

Actually, in a reverse-basis type of argument, it can actually be said that all the bitching about wanting a BM is just further proof that GeoHot and fail0verflow don't support it. Otherwise, it'd already be released and people wouldn't be wanting it.

# baldpope 2011-01-13 15:42

It's obvious you don't have children...

The SOLE reason I want an ISO loader (or backup manager, or any variation of the same) is so that I DO NOT have to swap discs. My son and I like playing various games on the PS3, namely Little Big Planet. And he does reasonably well to make sure he puts the discs in correctly, but truth be told there are hand-prints aplenty and scratching is inevitable ...

Same thing goes for my movie watching experience at home. I've ripped all of our children's movies and nearly all of our other movies to ISO so that they can be watched via XBMC, and for the same reason. It's not that I'm lazy and cannot afford to buy a new game when I want it, but I refuse to have my hard earned money wasted simply on scratched or broken disc, or disc drives (bd-rom drive failures rates are plenty high).

I understand that some 90% or more of the people that are looking for a backup manager or iso loader are only doing it for the purpose of piracy, but there are still quite a few of us that are looking to protect their investment and to better use the hardware we purchased.

I do agree with one comment you mentioned, the loading 'times' are sufficient from the bd-rom media, but abysmal on the PSP...

# letmehave em 2011-01-13 15:42

failoverflow was created by me not geohot sony cant say shit if there is 2 million people saying they have coded it there is no evidence that shows that you cant hack ,also gorgo has new backup manager to shuve it down there throats so thats why they arrested him with out a ps3 in his house so software means nothing if you cant find his ps3 with his hard work on it i rest my case ....link for backup manager is.....................................goto this site megaupload/12r343txvlink is there

# Snowball 2011-01-13 15:44

Probably Toyota will soon introduce a car, which can be remotely disabled in case someone will install "homebrew" parts, like cheap exhaust pipes and new radio equipment...

# -hacks 2011-01-13 15:46

yes I have

# BeGamer 2011-01-13 15:53

Dude, The games are worth the price! Don't get too hastey!

# LetsMoveThisAlong 2011-01-13 16:02

Really this court case will go on for months if not years... can we get a backup manager as im looking at 44 ps3 games and even more blurays on my shelf that i would love to put in storage. I would also love to play all kinds of video formats like mkv natively. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE...oops a lil loud, to get NTFS or HFS+ support for the ps3 so no file restrictions of 4gb. Forget piracy, I got work to do on alot of legit completely legal things. I mean I support geo and fail all the way but we cant put the brakes on... i mean if you have fear, then just post the stuff anonymously. The community will love you and we can really start using the potential of this machine.... unless the coders want mad patts on the back.... well trust me knowing who you are or not, we still highly appreciate your time and efforts!!!!

# MadDoggyca 2011-01-13 16:04

I solely sware Im up to no good..

I Stongly Belive in torrenting, and Im not afaird to show it...

I perosnly only own 2 consoles, DreamCast with ever 678 NA release plus some Jap imports (all torrrented). and a PS3 (for movie streaming off of netflex and my 8 TB WHS) That server is full of torreted Movies and tv shows... so yes I useing the PS3 to watch pirited movies/tv. Eat it

Another impressive collection is my 400GIG of mps, and over 155,000+pics/jpgs/ (any format)

but my ultimate collection is the years of software from 1980 to now.

http://img293.imageshack.us/im..."

ye I wiating for a BackUp manger that just work, I have a 2x2Tb HDD that is waiting for use so I can do the same thing I did with my dreamcast and collected them all..

# Brick 2011-01-13 16:06

BTW... I'm a legit wanter of a BM. I have about 80 games on my PS3, and I'm going to (classified) in 3 days. I'd love to take my PS3 without having to worry about bringing all the discs along as well.

# blackoutworm 2011-01-13 16:11

The thing is though.
Since he never touched Sony's keys or anything in the first place there is really nothing Sony can do here.

# Cj 2011-01-13 16:14

Perhaps if Sony would have allowed a little more control of the hardware ie the 400 series lasers that screw up and are scarce, if the board was not keyed to the MOBO then a 410 laser could have been fitted (which are brand new unlike the 400's)
So a nice app allowing the drive lasers type/key to be changed rather than a backup manager would be a good start.
Shame on you SONY for making something that fails in the masses and not supplying brand new parts as replacements.

# SONYFAILS! 2011-01-13 16:34

BIG SPYRO FAN !! LOLOL Sorry off topic
But yea im kinda there with you man, i just started collecting like last year and got 100gb of movies LOLOLOL can't wait for it to pile up XD

# Nofew 2011-01-13 16:53

I could reply to both of you separately, but you're the first commenter I respect so I'll give you a double-sized one.

Thank you for not flaming me! About five seconds after I posted I realized I may have well have just asked for sympathy in /b.

"sonyfails", I *am* in a worse situation (to me, anyway). I roleplay hardcore, but I can't draw and I've never been able to get someone to draw for me. I can't pay for a commission either. Does that give me the right to steal someone else's work? Nope, just gotta make due with what I got, and I've been going strong for almost a decade now.

Does the fact you don't have $20 or your parents won't give you $20 give you the right to steal $20? Nope, it doesn't. Seriously, dude, it's $20. Ask your parents for 50 cents of allowance a day or something, and in a month or so you'll have the $20. It usually takes me a month to stop playing a game I like.

Hopefully, this'll teach you to follow the rule of "waste not, want not". If you tear through a game and only let it last ten hours, then what happens when you're an adult and you're wasting your money with no way to recover?

Before someone replies to me and says "Ohhh but what about pirating/hacking? You don't want to let that evolve into adulthood!", let me explain what the *real* people with balls/big girl panties here are doing. The few of us that aren't trying to cheat our way into a free childhood are trying to open up possibilities. They're exploiting life (the PS3) to its fullest, away from the social norm (Sony tyranny) and onto bigger and better things. Sure, it's not hard. Sure, it has risks, but that's life/hacker scenes. Pirates/15 year old kids who don't give a dang, stop begging. We're not doing this for you, we're doing it for the people who want to help improve reality.

By the way, I learnt to use Linux without a GUI when I was twelve. Cracked my WEP key a week later. Changed to WPA another week later. Just because you're fifteen, doesn't mean you should still be sitting around all day and trying to pirate games. Yes, you're still a kid, but you're three years from being an adult. Get ready, or it's gunna hurt when reality hits you. By the way, I'm seventeen.

# Cj 2011-01-13 16:55

ok shit brick

# Nofew 2011-01-13 16:56

I could reply to both of you separately, but you're the first commenter I respect so I'll give you a double-sized one.

Thank you for not flaming me! About five seconds after I posted I realized I may have well have just asked for sympathy in /b.

"sonyfails", I *am* in a worse situation (to me, anyway). I roleplay hardcore, but I can't draw and I've never been able to get someone to draw for me. I can't pay for a commission either. Does that give me the right to steal someone else's work? Nope, just gotta make due with what I got, and I've been going strong for almost a decade now.

Does the fact you don't have $20 or your parents won't give you $20 give you the right to steal $20? Nope, it doesn't. Seriously, dude, it's $20. Ask your parents for 50 cents of allowance a day or something, and in a month or so you'll have the $20. It usually takes me a month to stop playing a game I like.

Hopefully, this'll teach you to follow the rule of "waste not, want not". If you tear through a game and only let it last ten hours, then what happens when you're an adult and you're wasting your money with no way to recover?

Before someone replies to me and says "Ohhh but what about pirating/hacking? You don't want to let that evolve into adulthood!", let me explain what the *real* people with balls/big girl panties here are doing. The few of us that aren't trying to cheat our way into a free childhood are trying to open up possibilities. They're exploiting life (the PS3) to its fullest, away from the social norm (Sony tyranny) and onto bigger and better things. Sure, it's hard. Sure, it has risks, but that's life/hacker scenes. Pirates/15 year old kids who don't give a dang, stop begging. We're not doing this for you, we're doing it for the people who want to help improve reality.

By the way, I learnt to use Linux without a GUI when I was twelve. Cracked my WEP key a week later. Changed to WPA another week later. Just because you're fifteen, doesn't mean you should still be sitting around all day and trying to pirate games. Yes, you're still a kid, but you're three years from being an adult. Get ready, or it's gunna hurt when reality hits you. By the way, I'm seventeen.

*MODERATORS: Please post *this* comment rather than my previous yet-approved one. That one has a rather nasty typo.

# Dan 2011-01-13 17:07

Well...Sony's case is full of holes and they dont seem to be properly considering what theyre doing.
Either way, I hope someone carries on the scene, I want that dang backup manager so much! Im sick of not being able to play games because theyre only released in Japan. *Im looking at you Tales Of Vesperia* >.>

# traxoftime 2011-01-13 17:08

i dont think geohot touched any keys either...maybe he saw them or found them but that doesnt mean he got em or used em...its like seeing a package on bench and whats inside because its open but possible you nevwer touched the contents so therefore theres no authorship like i own this.....so sony has a lot of holes and based off other cases it will be between 6 months and 1 year before its settled...not because cases take that long but sony being retards are gona drag it on...even if geohot is winning just to show this is what you will have to go through also...

# traxoftime 2011-01-13 17:14

the truth is hackers are gonna win this.....heres why....if sony beats geohot and fail someone else will take thier place and continue hacking...now if geohot wins we continue and also sony will be forced to release the ps4 early with new security and prolly more retarded laws about what we can and cant do with thier new system but either way sony not benefitting from beating a young hacker in court,.really what does that do?thats silly its like children in a playground..its not a mature company or good business practice...hackers win both sides

# Digital Disparities 2011-01-13 17:40

It seems that the hacking community has already won. The keys are out now all we need to do is use the info. We all want BMs for one reason or another but this isn' the place to ask. Go to the latest CFW thread and ask your hearts out. Lets keep this thread for the legal troubles of these guys instead of ruining it! If you all want BMs so badly go code one up, all the hard work has been done.

# Jish 2011-01-13 17:45

It's on page 282 (last page) of Document 4..Exhibit DD I believe. It is for $1 to geohot(at)gmail . The Payment Sent Transaction ID # has been blacked out conveniently and proves absolutely nothing regardless.

Even better is that on page 247 of the same document they show a screen shot of Gamefreax.com where they show the damn root key as reported by psx-scene. Which means now the "Private Key" is OFFICIALLY/LEGALLY a PUBLIC KEY because it is in a public document. LOL!

# Warren 2011-01-13 17:48

They can make people broke simply by court costs in defending themselves

# Jish 2011-01-13 17:49

Why wouldn't he? It's not long. I've read all of the defense papers.

# NoEffex 2011-01-13 18:10

I hope Sony wins. I just tried playing COD6 online and thanks to these jokes kids are now cheating online. This is ridiculous. I don't care that it "enables" homebrew I bought my console to use it in a certain way (online gaming and stream movies), now I can't online game because there's cheating. Just like the God-awful worthless good for nothing remnants of the PSP scene.

# sex instructor 2011-01-13 18:36

^^yes this is true. I think it's all bullshit they're just blowing smoke and trying to scare people into not wanting to mess with it. And also gum up the process by tying the big dogs up in court, and buy themselves some time to figure out what they can do.

# vamdolly 2011-01-13 18:37

you do know cod game where always hackable buy there unprotected save file

# StereoJoe 2011-01-13 18:46

They haven't done much with the keys yet anyway. Chill out, odds are that you're not even playing with anyone who has hacked the game. You just suck ass. Leave it at that.

# NoEffex 2011-01-13 19:01

yes but in a different way

# NoEffex 2011-01-13 19:02

167 headshots in 5 minutes? Yeeahhhhh bro thats hacking. And no I'm not exaggerating. I'm fixing to buy a capture card to capture this crap.

# Mike 2011-01-13 19:26

I'm pretty sure you just suck.

# Nick 2011-01-13 19:28

yes, go play bonecraft! COD is not for noobs like you!

# Crisco 2011-01-13 20:12

There is a Free geohot page now on facebook if anyone wants to join it. Its just a support page.

# Kush 2011-01-13 20:18

@Brick

I'm on your side, but I believe the correct word is intelligent instead of intelligible.

in·tel·li·gi·bl e/in?telij?b?l/Adjective
1. Able to be understood; comprehensible.
2. Able to be understood only by the intellect, not by the senses.

# geo cold 2011-01-13 20:25

Dude Effex ur a fuckin dumbass geohot and fail0verflows have nothing to do with COD 6 they create custom firmwares and crap not hack games u fuckin noob

# Hazzatori 2011-01-13 20:30

OK, So i will support fail0verflow, but is everyone supporting geohot now? the guy is slimeball,

first he loses other OS for everyone (after he has his iOS crying session and almost fucked up a jailbreak from other teams (pos1on) and then publishes and tries to take credit for fail0verflow`s work by publishing keys first, then basically copies the first CFW PKG installer again looking for credit with a few tweaks and on top of that he offered his services to Sony/MS/Ninty to prevent US the community for being able to run home-brew on future consoles. Why should we support him, what the fuck has he actually done to help the community? as far as i can see he is a liability and seems to attract attention for shit he mainly copies from others and is completely willing to screw us over for cash!

seriously give me one reason we should support him?

# bob 2011-01-13 20:48

It is a copy of the whole MW2 for the jtag's. Little stupid kids going online to get the status of prestige. Killed the online Xbox Live experience. Sony gotta get a non downgradeable-hackable kernel to weed out the assholes.

# Brick 2011-01-13 20:59

You win this one...

# LilPimpT 2011-01-13 21:16

@Hazzatori, I agree completely. I was pissed as fuck when i lost otherOS because of his ass. And then he promised "I'll make a cfw that adds it back". Then doesn't because the community CALLED HIS FUCKING ASS OUT FOR LOSING IT FOR US. Oh, boo hoo, the community wants me to fix a problem I FUCKING CREATED, and they aren't grateful that i'm doing SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BE DOING ANY FUCKING WAY BECAUSE I'M AN ASSHAT WHO RUINED IT FOR PEOPLE. Boooo hooooo. Fuck you gais, i aint givin you otherOS. I'll just reappear later in the PS3 scene now that it's been hacked and act like i did nothing fucking wrong. People like him are terrible, terrible manipulative people.

# JhonnyAppleSeed 2011-01-13 21:17

HAHA
1 of the greatest reasons I bought the PS3 is the ability to play online without worrying about anyone is cheating

for the top poster crying about COD
stfu and get a grip, your a xbox fanboy
sadly but true I rather have a JB ps3
having all the EMU is #1
having a Arcade wireless

# Stuballs 2011-01-13 21:22

I lol'd

# BCK 2011-01-13 21:36

Perfect words mike

# yaro 2011-01-13 21:52

Fuck geohot, I don't give a fuck if he goes to jail and gets poked in the ass. All he's ever done is fail and release the works of others as his own.

# Sieg 2011-01-13 21:54

are you really saying that people should go to jail coz you are not enjoying a game as much as before? really?
That's disgusting ...

# ctjk1982 2011-01-13 22:03

i agree wwith the lot of you people for being f-ing piss at geohot for what happen with the other os but keep one thing in mind.
for the hack to work in the first place u had to open the system up and connect a few things to the system sony did not have to take out the option for the other os sony just took it out to be a prick to everyone there was no reason for this in the first place sony said they took the other os option so their system couldn't be hack by anyone but guess what its now fully hackable. again people do have a right to be f-ing pissed at geohot for this mess.
p.s. for the guy with the cod6 problem you just suck at the game because if the game was hack it would be all over the internet already noob.

# cman 2011-01-13 22:16

I actually find these legal proceeding more interesting than the jailbreak :) For us older folks this should be something worth following because I have a feeling it's going to set some new precedence either way. For you younger folks this could make or break your future console hacking/emulator/piracy playing days.

A lot of court cases are already confusing to follow when they're are non-technical issues. Well this is going to make those cases look like pre-school math :) Once the tech terminology starts flying I can't imagine any judge being able to follow it unless Bill Gates or Larry Elison are sitting on the bench =)

I can't wait to hear more.

# elhomer 2011-01-13 22:24

sony will loose just like apple and its jailbreak case

# neriphis 2011-01-13 22:28

its not thats letting it them cheat. dude lol you come to a ps3 hacking site to bitch about it.

# dice888 2011-01-13 22:41

lol. people are talking so much crap and they don't know what they are saying...

1. cod6 is hacked and a lot of people are cheating (seen it working myself)

2. cod6 being hacked has nothing to do with cfw as the hack isn't enabled by cfw

3. stop talking crap about geo as most of you will benefit or have benefited from his work. stop crying like little pussies and just appreciate what is given to you as you dont have the brains or the balls to do what they do.

# nerodrago 2011-01-13 22:48

@LilPimpT Why be pissed at geohot? What reason? Because he found a way to get inside? He found the hole? So hence you ridicule him and want to banish him for the pure simple fact that SONY did not know a way to fix things with the security flaw other than REMOVE it all together. You have to dig deeper, geohot did not FORCE sony to do anything. They CHOOSE to do things that are seen only as foolish.

Also for people to call out someone and treat them as an outcast for pure sense of wanting to show their love of computing science (TRUE MEANING OF HACKER HERE) I applaud geohots choice of saying a big FUCK YOU to all who did not sit back and bask in what happened.

Now if you want to blame someone you know who to blame SONY. There is nothing you can say to cover it up. SONY is the one that choose the path to condemn you to locked doors and masked freedoms.

# Cyb3ritachi 2011-01-13 22:55

i agree the hacking of COD6 or Mw2 has been around for the longest even before this it isnt recent, there are lots of mod rooms out there that hackers make and sometimes people happen to land on the rooms. Using this recent thing for an excuse to sucking at a game is not going to justify anything for you buddy. Next time you should keep things in the low before opening your mouth and getting facepalm and flame by others that know more than you ^__^

# dice888 2011-01-13 23:48

I myself did a hack to piss off my best friend and invited him into a lobby that deranked him all the way to no prestige. I thought it would be funny and I was so right. he was prestige 9 and like 12 days played and now hes just lvl 1. he cried like a baby when I did that. if only I had a camera to record it all. well the point is I did that hack without cfw as I dont have it installed on my ps3.

# Jimbo999 2011-01-13 23:55

I am starting to think some of these negative comments about geohot are being seeded by Sony's contracted social engineers. They do it in other forums, so I wouldn't be surprised to find employees posing as "dudes" to disrupt geohot's support. Then news websites and reporters unwittingly use said negative comments as proof that the scene is in chaos. Happens a lot in torrent forums for new releases, or so I read a year or so ago. Wouldn't surprise me, that's all.

# ii6o4Mw2HackZzii 2011-01-14 00:29

i hosted before all these bk noobs i have 2 ps3 so i really dont care if 3.55 J/B gets patched because all the legit kids like myself will still hack!

# nolv2 2011-01-14 00:32

I think we have the grounds for a suit against SCEA by publishing this as a multimedia computer system and then telling us it is just for gaming with this suit. Also, the hackers being sued should file a countersuit for being provided the tools from Sony for said actions on the system. A ceasation should be requested until they can decide how they brand and sale their hardware. As read in George's defense, the lawyer calls them on the same bs.

# psnhacker 2011-01-14 00:50

wow you an a hole

# whip 2011-01-14 00:54

facts
1) sony made a fatal error in its security algo.
can this be repaired ? if fail0verflow /geohot can break it i'm sure there are others /sony will find a way to circumvent it..maybe crappier but effective method..nothin is permanent..sony wil have to find a way as its their responsibility..

2) sony took away otherOS (probably cos of geohot + scapegoat)...worst mistake by sony..
who lost ? hackin / homebrew community ..which may be a small % of the entire ps3 userbase.
as a gamer / media centre user i dont give a shit.. m happy runnin linux on desktop.

3) fail0verflow/geohot, indirectly / directly, expose ps3 security flaw to public..
who gains ? hackin / homebrew community.. again gamers don care if they can sign windows media player on their ps3..
bet nothin of any significance is gonna come out on homebrew..maybe few..in the long run not worth the effort..hackers and hardcore programmers will move on to other stuff..

4) geohot stood on the shoulder of giants fail0verflow and continued their work..posted keys..asks for job (who would ever giv himm a job if they know he would expose company secrets if they don give him a hike)..arrogant.immature...fail0verflow didn release the keys showin some responsibility..

personally fail0verflow could have approached sony , exposing the flaw..assisted in patchin it without public disclosure of methods.. made few bucks in the process.. instead messy legal battle..

do these guys really care about security ? would they have posted such flaws of lets say online bankin systems wher they have their own money or gone directly to IT guys.. wit great power comes greater responsibility and maturity on the way these need to be handled..

many countries have gun control for the same reason..creates more risk than actual safety..greater good..

who loses in the long run??
majority of ps3 users probably gamers or those who use it like a media centre like me with more firmware updates / stupid but effective security measures aka steam / more online verification crap, costlier / lesser games ,piracy , psn becomes a charged service..etc etc..

who majorly gains and are jerkin off now...99% pirates, 1% homebrewers..

wat can sony do? act of good will for its majority users..
1)enable other os
2)enable PS2 support.. this is personal..missed out on the entire ps2 game scene
3)officially support homebrew
4)make a better browser ... for gods sake..

being a ps3 user,i for the first time felt dissapointed with these events...

# Soldier 2011-01-14 05:22

Why is Sony making this a ridiculous big thing with the lawsuits? This lawsuit does nothing more than just add more publicity to this. Besides, most console gamers are idiots and probably don't even know how to use a usb stick to install the firmware anyways.

# lolol 2011-01-14 09:30

Wow Nofew. You assume that everyone under 18 wants everything to happen as far as piracy. I have been here a little longer than you and honesty if you can stick it to the bigger person, do it!

Got to love it when /b tards troll PS3 hacking sites, go back to /b where you belong, b tard.

# Chris 2011-01-14 11:42

At everyone talking crap about geohot why the hell are you even here it's ps3 hack not ps3 news. I bet half of you are posting on here from your jailbroken iPhone with his way. I myself haven't jailbroke my ps3 but I might just do that today and play some cod to piss some ppl off today as soon as u read up on how to

# Predator 2011-01-14 11:57

you are a noob

# Macmall10 2011-01-14 13:03

People are just jealous, cause they don't have the ability to hack shit, just like geohot does, jailbreaking isn't illegal now, so people just chill out. Hacking things, makes everything better, everybody knows it too, that's why people buy the iPhone, just to jailbreak it. This is why I bought my ps3, just want to enjoy all the good stuff, those people that are complaining, just shut up already. And get on with your life, unless you don't have a life and complain about how other people are better at you, like geohot- hacking is his life and wants people to have the best out of there system.

# steven 2011-01-14 13:33

yea you prolly just suck you cant get mad at them if they cheat the only way you can beat them is to start cheating to

# Pablo 2011-01-14 14:12

The hack has ruined online gaming now like MW2

BEFORE YOU IDIOTS SAY IT HASN'T, IT'S NOT THE HACK DIRECTLY BUT WHAT THE HACK NOW ENABLES, IT NOW ENABLES OTHER PACKAGES TO BE RUN THAT LET CHEATING IN GAME OCCUR

SO STFU BEFORE YOU SAY THE HACK HASN'T DONE THIS, IT HAS and what is more there is proof.

MW2 shows you your "killers" screen for when they killed you, it's FULL of "god mode" words across the screen and the name of the tool they've used.

R-U-I-N-E-D!!!!!!!

# SyCoDeath 2011-01-14 17:33

@ Brick... Gotta love the intelligible conversations...

We all here for one reason only, to see the big corporation brought to it's knees by normal (albeit, intelligible (lol) people....

# AceCaanoo 2011-01-14 17:46

Why is everyone picking on you? You have a good reason to moan and im on your side! It`s dicks that don`t understand that it ruins gameplay. I have too felt that since gaming machines get opened up people cheat because they can`t play the game and want to look better good. Im selling my PS3 because I see no reason to own it anymore. @MIKE you just show how much of a dick you really are and don`t understand that not all people are happy with whats going on

# Sinnercrono 2011-01-14 18:13

guys geohot as every right to mess with his console and if otherOS went away cuz of that then boo hoo we have it back btw for all the people crying over it and i agree with above poster 90% of ps3 owners woudnt know what wtf to do id it meant opening up the ps3 to mod it and as far as taking credit how many of us really give a shit where the thing comes from we just care if it works like him or not hes done some bad but alot of good for the scene as well u gotta respect him for that i bought a fucking ps3 i should be allowed to mess with it anyway i want

# Cyb3ritachi 2011-01-14 19:38

its just way too easy to hack in COD6, and theres no need of cfw like that other noob from the start of this topic had complained about. Like i have said before knowledge and research its the power to everything

# Amak 2011-01-14 21:51

And people never cheated before?

# House1021 2011-01-14 23:28

i would support that. i bought my first ps3 for what it was advertised as.

# Brick 2011-01-14 23:33

@SyCoDeath
In my defense, many of these conversations/comments/rants are... unintelligible... You gotta read them 8 times just to confirm the point they're trying to get across...

# Brick 2011-01-14 23:35

And another 3 times to decide if it's on topic or worth commenting...

# Brick 2011-01-14 23:39

Until Sony explains at length and in great detail how they can do just that... just like they published the keys... >:)
In a public document, no less...
Mwahahahaha!!!

# d33znutsSony 2011-01-15 16:43

I was a huge Sony supporter until decided to remove other OS.... a lazy attempt to patch their flawed system which pissed me and many others off.

I'm so happy for the hacker community anally raping them now. If Sony gave refunds for removing other OS, even by way of PSN store credit, I'm sure that would have saved their system from the angry hackers.

But now it's too late, pay for your sins you greedy stupid fat evil corporation m0therfukrs.

Victory to the people!

# dylan 2011-01-15 16:45

if i were SCEA to fix this i'd just patch all the haxs possible rerelease OS and give up there. 4 the ps4 OS and suport of homebrew and just patch specific code "backup manager" and encrypt every game titles as hevaly as possible

# Christian 2011-01-15 18:53

I bet that you just blow very badly at the game.

# Sony 2011-01-16 01:31

Sony is crying like a bunch of little bitches....

They should just STFU and F*&K Off!!!

I think the time and money that they'll spend in a frivilous lawsuit would be much better spent making a better system and games!!!! So once again they should just STFU and F*&K Off and leave everyone alone to do what they like with the overpriced products they bought from them!!!

# cloud 2011-01-16 11:32

Look, I am sure most of you know of the useful applications that the Playstation (R) 3 could be used for. Currently, it is used to find cures for cancer, used in clustering for super computing by the Air Force and other organizations, and educational endeavors. Sony took the Linux OS away not because of George Hotz, but because the PS3 in clusters were far superior to servers and super computers for a fraction of the price.

It is the same reason why they removed the "Backwords Compatablity." The Playstation (R) 2 games were outselling Playstation (R) 3 games and to boost sales, they broke (one) of their promises and took out backwards compatibility. Sure the unit itself with B.C. costs more, but they were hoping for a huge net gain on the games which they never saw.

Now everyone here, this is for Computer Science and should be treated as such. George Hotz is not only helping the hacking community, but any organization that wants to bring forth the potential of the Playstaition (3) to solve real life problems.

# ps3 all the way 2011-01-18 00:16

acecanoo.. go ahead selll ur ps3 u dont deserve it anyway u need something that u wont suck at like a wii or failure box that has equal or worse problems. o and kinect sux. Thanks geohot

# whip 2011-01-18 01:52

the only apps coming ,are for backups/CFW and the forums are flooded with queries for enabling backup copies .. quite a lot seemed to have bricked their boxes in these attempts..so much for homebrew..ps3 game piracy begins..as expected..

# stephen 2011-01-18 17:45

when ur a legit 10th the game gets pretty boring when u can get ten nukes in a row i mean i think that the hackers out there just bring back some of the fun to the game but as long as it private matches top the hacking online

# darkhazard 2011-01-22 07:48

This was already done... and the suit lost. I don't have any links atm for this but i remember reading about this shortly after $ony patched and removed the Other OS option.

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My first comment was directed @ nolv2. For some reason the reply link didn't attach it properly.

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