PS3 Legal Troubles: Hackers Get Served Legal Docs

Submitted by greg; January 11, 2011

Uh oh... Scary stuff in the US... Forget PSN bans, Sony is going hard -- geohot and fail0verflow have updated their respective websites -- they both got served with some scary DMCA legal biz. Listed are the defendants George Hotz, Hector Martin (marcan), and Sven Peter ... the last two being members of team fail0verflow. Also 100 others have to now lawyer up. Read the docs on either site. They're filled with what I'd call inaccuracies, but then again I'm no lawyer. Update: Here at psx-scene are more official SCEA court docs. Update: David S. Touretzky, who is a Research Professor of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University, has challenged Sony by straight up cloning geohot's site, including the keys and jailbreak download. That's awesome. So is Touretzky's note to Sony lawyers:

...no doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Have you learned anything in ten years?

Haha... CSS, DVDs... I almost forgot about those.

Tags: DMCA, fail0verflow, Geohot, lawyer, legal, Sony

I disliked that fag and called him a media whore in the previous news. Now I compassion to his problems.
He jailbroke apple and had no lawsuits, why the hell by providing some stupid shit he got from HIS console caused him that trouble?!

btw geohot
did you create a psn account?
sony lamers claim you violate the psn agreements xD
psn user agreements *
no
I should create a geohot account on psn just for the lulz xD

# MadDoggyca 2011-01-11 22:34

I not sure if you’re located in US or not. I not sure if FailOverFlow is in the us ether but here a news article that may help you if you are.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38...

”The decision to allow the practice commonly known as "jailbreaking" is one of a handful of new exemptions from a 1998 federal law”
“
In addition to jailbreaking, other exemptions announced Monday would:

allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
allow college professors, film students and documentary filmmakers to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism, commentary and noncommercial videos.
allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.
Although the jailbreaking exemption is new, all the others are similar to the last set of exemptions, which were announced in November 2006. The new rules take effect Tuesday and are expected to last a few years.”

“

Jennifer Stisa Granick, EFF's civil liberties director, said the rules are based on an important principle: Consumers should be allowed to use and modify the devices that they purchase the way they want. "If you bought it, you own it," she said.”

# Nick 2011-01-11 22:34

The previous stuff i posted is from irc conversation between Mathieulh and Geohot.

+This is why ps3scene should be a private scene group!

# mr.bob 2011-01-11 22:34

geohot hope you able to find a good laywer..
is there somebody here that could help this man!

im hating sony more and more

# Draj 2011-01-11 22:34

So long as we do not harm PSN Game Servers, and Store we should be fine playing our games online. We are not hurting anybody, I have not been banned yet, but I will also know that I have not harmed $ony's servers in any way what-so-ever, if anyone/everyone who has 3.55JB on their systems gets banned, $ony is just slitting heir own throat. Less players for $ony, more for Xlink Kai.

# Grim 2011-01-11 22:36

This is BS, what the hell is sony talking about circumvention devices. they didnt sell any devices to circumvent the keys. instead they hacked the shit out of a system and figured out how stupid Sony's security had on its keys. We'll see how far this goes

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 22:36

US courts need to read these forums and comments its not just 4-5 guys ie failoverflow and hotz its us all thousnds and thousands ill back hotz all the way and overflow hope the US court can see through Sonys billion/trillion pound empire vs a kid with fifty bucks Be humane sony and leave hotz alone or employ him hes got no money take his fifty bucks and fk off back to Hong Kong

# Xdude 2011-01-11 22:36

I read through some of points, geohot is in big trouble and need a good lawyer :(
He need our help guyz

# wigsplitta 2011-01-11 22:36

It's a waste of Sony's time as well as their money. This is just to scare other hackers out there working. Wasn't aware that there are any laws against hacking a console.....that's because there isn't.

# mr.bob 2011-01-11 22:37

japan dumbass

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 22:40

erm i know there from japan i was meerly taking the piss out of them like calling an aussie a Kiwi read it understand it was a comical ending

# Dee 2011-01-11 22:41

Jailbreaking was taking to the supreme court and was deemed legal!he had no intent of letting us run backups and that was a smart decision.and for the record homebrew is legal and is not hurting anyone!

# budweiser37 2011-01-11 22:42

just get someone else to answer the door and say he doesint stay there anymore lmao na but seriously thats shit what about the original ps3 owners that got other os taken away that must be classed as false advertising there must be a law against that

# Tragik 2011-01-11 22:44

want the truth looks fake to me...first off if this case is indeed to be tried in california...under law they have to give you more than 24 hours notice to appear, this is basically what you call an initial hearing..meaning they ask if you are guilty or not, but under law they give way MORE THAN 24 HOURS FOR THE DEFENDANTS TO HIRE COUNSEL...then again what do I know I'm only a make shift paralegal :/

# Curbstomp 2011-01-11 22:45

They all have sworn that they wouldn't support piracy. I know piracy is rampant now, but these guys just wanted other OS back. Christ, this shit is bad.

Best of luck to Geohot, Team Fail0verFlow, and anyone else who is affected.

# db2k 2011-01-11 22:45

That's awesome. A 32 page Ex Parte application. This is a bullying document. It could have been handled in 4 pages tops.

# wigsplitta 2011-01-11 22:47

If it were possible to throw people in jail for this type of stuff Apple would have done it a long time ago. How much do you think Apple & AT&T lost from jailbreaking? I'd say both Geo and fail protected themselves. They did not promote any kind of piracy and left that for others. I wasn't going to jailbreak my PS3 but it's on now!

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 22:48

thing is sony have unlimited cash to throw at court cases as many times they want. When this case is over they can file again and again with anything they want that they think Hotz has breached if you ask me sonys headquarters in tokyo or where ever it is should be Hiroshima'd filthy fking rats billions . trillions worth of profit and they out to kill a poor technical wizkid peasant. sony will get slated hard in news for this watch Hotz rise to fame maybe xfactor or Americas got talent Neo Geo For The Win

# cocoon 2011-01-11 22:48

Rumor has it that Sony may be issuing DMCA subpoenas to ISPs to have them hand over information of subscribers who are apparently running backups with jailbroken PS3s. Though not confirmed, I personally wouldn't be playing online right now with a jailbroken PS3. This stuff can be pretty scary.

# Amak 2011-01-11 22:48

NO. That will help to kill the scene. Let it be public. As long as none of Sony's code is provided in what they release, it will be almost impossible to get them to be found guilty. In the Xbox 1 days few sites hosted homebrew developed using the XDK because it is technically copyright infringement. Don't use their SDK or their pre-compiled software, no problem.

As for jailbreaking: I absolutely hate that term. This is a softmod at best. They're basically the same, though so it will be interesting to see where this goes.

# oriley 2011-01-11 22:50

Overflow ad george get a jewish lawyer they wont let you down.

# dick 2011-01-11 22:50

haha, he deserves it for being such an ass and lying his ass off about 3.21OO...what a punk.

# db2k 2011-01-11 22:52

Interesting. In the motion, p. 6 lines 8-9 talk about the release of the master keys publically. In Canada, they're trying to enact measures where ANY circumvention by ANYONE of a TPM constitutes copyright infringement. So, then, is Sony infringing on their own TPMs by signing anything? This submission can't stand up on its own IMHO - if encrypting software using the security key constitutes violating that security key, it is impossible for anybody to encrypt anything anymore.
Hilarious. Hotz needs to post the one that actually goes through and is signed by a judge. Otherwise? Hah.

# Mud 2011-01-11 22:52

They made jailbreaking legal for the IPhone. Isent that cross platform for anything? But it was not illegal to change a device prier to the FCC making it legal as well.

# Piracy is bad Mkay 2011-01-11 22:53

Serves them right, stealing is wrong and everyone knows piracy is illegal.
I am a firm believer in homebrew, but you can tell from these threads most of these people could care less about homebrew and want to pirate games.
No "backup manager" for you LOL
Wait I mean "piracy manager"
BTW, sony will ban people that are running cfw, so if I was you, I would go back to ofw.

# Omnipotentidiot 2011-01-11 22:54

this is nothing new. When I use to flash homebrew scripts to direc tv H&HU cards,Hughes network did the same thing and subpoenaed alot of script writers to court but failed because they couldnt prove that they were doing so for their own profit. GeoHot,Marcan,f ailoverflow,etc . can always claim that they did this for their own educational purposes.

# SplitMethod 2011-01-11 22:54

Really I believe a boycott could go into affect if the innocent get convicted.

# YungClipze 2011-01-11 22:54

I always tried to look the other way when they removed otherOs! But serving Geohot and fail0verflow! >:( This Really Pisses me off. . .

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 22:55

this is like USA waging a full scale war on a pack of 6 tribal indians in the amazon rain forest. Sony really was pissed by the keys being published online thats what there going to say is why publish to everyone. Id love to kill a jap right about now anyone will do.im purposly going to pirate every game out thnx sony GeoHotz got ya good thistime russled ya feathers eh ? bullying trillion dollar babys

# dankweid 2011-01-11 22:55

Good lord, it would blow to have a multibillion dollar corporation suing you for being a genius.

I read through as much of the .pdf's as I could. Seeing lawyerspeak for all the PS3 hacking terms is pretty hilarious. I honestly don't think Sony has a leg to stand on with what they are alleging these gents have done. In essence it almost reads like "we're not suing you for what you were smart enough to find, we're suing you because of what will happen next from other people and we're mad."

So they gave a cease and desist to all jailbreaking tools being linked to on their pages. Because we all know they aren't on a billion other sites and being shared on torrents, right? Too late, $ony. You lost.

# Nightpath 2011-01-11 22:55

If I were Geohot, failoverfl0w and whoever else I'd be busting out my mad skills and releasing every bit of pirate, backup, homebrew, etc programs I could just to show Sony that they can pound sand.

Do you really think Sony gives a fuck about releasing pirate programs? Nope, they're just in a tizzy that they, a multinational, multibillion-generating company got screwed in the fucking ass by a few programmers in their basements.

# Aniello 2011-01-11 22:55

Just read that whole pdf and thats some straight bulls**t. We need to help these guys in any way we can.

# David Hasslehoff 2011-01-11 22:56

This is but a scare tactic...last ditch effort.$ONY realizes the system is about to be completely unlocked,best they can do is try to slow our devs down while they look for a a way to patch.These men will not be found guilty,if they even see trial.

# michael 2011-01-11 22:56

before geo release his jailbreak, he should have hidded itself im brazil(my country) or mexico,in the pherifery, becuz this places is higly habitated, and this will make things hard for sony becuz our govern( the brazil govern) doesn´t look for his things, at the moment, the govern is looking on the fucking congress, he is a built trash with mercenaries and clowns...¬¬

# Nick 2011-01-11 22:56

This way they protect their reputation.
Game devs see that Sony keeps fighting. This is a plus for Sony, no matter the result. This is also a plus for us, cause hackers get more passionate. Until this war is over, we'll be enjoying awesome jailbroken games with psn spoofing. Poor devs, they're still creating uncharted 2, la noire +++ more games. Poor hackers, they still have to hack everytime... Poor myself, I don't even have a PS3. "Poor", you get it?

# Keith 2011-01-11 22:59

This is retarde and will get thrown out in the 1st 10 mins of a judge reading the case. Sony will probly also get a good scolding from the judge!

# Keith 2011-01-11 23:00

This is retarded and will get thrown out in the 1st 10 mins of a judge reading the case. Sony will probly also get a good scolding from the judge!

# michael 2011-01-11 23:00

kararoto NEED to GET OUT of the US, before he is busted, he is our salvation, our superman!

# ssully 2011-01-11 23:02

lol this is stupid someone tell me should i uninstall CFW now

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 23:02

fully agree sonys doing this as its corparate bosses and investors want something done believe me it goes way above overflow and hotz but as guy above mentioned there safe from any type of sentacing thats a fact sony have issued this just incase something MAY happen but it wont. that way sony have prooved to its corparate bosses and investors they have tried to persue it legally rather than sit and get done up the arse with a pen drive running custom firmware

# JuNyA8971 2011-01-11 23:02

What??? YOU the dumbass! SO STFU!!

# Syntaxx 2011-01-11 23:03

No fucking way xD Don't they have something better to do like wanking of on firmware updrades?

# JuNyA8971 2011-01-11 23:03

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Just kidding!

# J.R. 2011-01-11 23:04

10 days before they have to give up all comp hard drives etc. involved with the hack, release everything before you have to give it up

# dalearyous 2011-01-11 23:06

if anything, by doing this, sony will provoke the wrath of the community into releasing actual things that are illegal and make pirating much easier as way to say f*ck you sony.

# cocoon 2011-01-11 23:07

Some websites that show how to jailbreak PS3s have removed their tutorials because they say they've been issued a cease-and-desist order lol. That was fast...

# Me 2011-01-11 23:07

I want to stomp on sony's face.

# Keith 2011-01-11 23:08

Judge: You can do anything with any product that you bought. Its up to you (sony) to protect that by installing the best security possible.

Sony: Oh. Ok ty

# Zedtechus 2011-01-11 23:08

Trace you lamer... you should learn programming ... Sony master keys protection was worst ever seen!... they deserve it!

# MattyKop 2011-01-11 23:09

i am.. just to be on the safe side, we can still run are homebrew on OFW so im going back to 3.55 OFW

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 23:10

no didnt undertsand a word ?

# none 2011-01-11 23:11

geohot and the fail0verflow team are going to be on telly, yeah!

# Grey1111111 2011-01-11 23:12

i might be off topic but how do i know if I'm on OFW or geohot's CFW i had geo's for a day but i cant risk the banhammer so i used the ps3's safe mode to revert to normal 3.55 but heres the problem the "install packages" is gone but the Snes9X and Multiman i installed is still there and is fully functional except multiman cant load games should i delete them or what?

# cyrax 2011-01-11 23:13

I WON T BUY ANY PRODUCT OF SONY IN FUTURE

# OMG! 2011-01-11 23:13

doe sthis mean the geohot CFW 3.55 will stop working>?

# xxf1sh3rxx 2011-01-11 23:13

See, Sony kinda messed themselves up on this one, because there IS NO PIRACY!!!! I just jailbroke my ps3 like an hour ago, IN THE AGREEMENT HE PURPOSELY LEFT OUT THE SYSCALLS NEEDED FOR THIS PIRACY!!! Now, this is gonna go all the way just like it did with apple, and then it's gonna be legal to jailbreak ps3's therefore EASIER to pirate games, so yeah Sony, you kinda screwed urselves over... Good luck hahaha

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 23:15

you know what sony should leave the console scene for bullying a fifty buck kid, im fed up of Microsoft Nintendo and sony, we need Apple to step in or another big corporation as the time is now while sonys on the back foot bring back sega ill buy a sega 720 over Microsoft and sonys 720... playststion3 for me now is purely pirate games playing simply because sony bully fifty buck kids totally wrong

# MattyKop 2011-01-11 23:16

the snes and all that are signed with the sony master key thing to 3.55 so they will work on the ofw im guessin since you said you went and installed the 3.55ofw you are on that, delete them if you want but its your choice

# none 2011-01-11 23:16

i bet they bricked themselves when they saw the MIB

# Sam 2011-01-11 23:17

That PDF was just some straight Bull. Any real judge would throw that out. But then again with enough money anything can happen.

# o rly 2011-01-11 23:18

>have no life

^says the person who just uses things for there intended purpose...that somehow has taken the time out of his follow the rules life to go onto a website dedicated to hacking just to tell us WE have no lives... oh i love smart people

# Zedtechus 2011-01-11 23:18

you're weak.

# ayham 2011-01-11 23:19

wait so let me get this right.
sony did not so psp hack's(dark_alex or pspgen)
apple did not sue(geohot)
sony did nor sue psjailbrak that is a usb cost about %150.
and the fact's are they can't sue them. cuz they did not sell anything.but sony could sue psjailbrak.

as the hack's know the rules the know that they will win. and sony can not only loss this to the hack's they can also lose money a lot of it.

if apple and Nintendo and Microsoft($$$$) know that they can't and they would of lost. why would sony even try

# Daniel 2011-01-11 23:19

Seems like Geohot needs a JAILBREAK now more than ever! : )

# Ning 2011-01-11 23:19

FU*CK IT, RELEASE THE piracy CRACKEN. GEOHOTZ. as u can see sony don't give a shit about you.

# bazzosh 2011-01-11 23:20

starting to think along the same lines as you! I havn't used my ps3 as much as i have in the last few days! Sonic, donkey kong, mario and street fighter! (all of which i own the originals!)

# pffftttt 2011-01-11 23:20

watch youre mouth fuck face!Im japanese!

# Ning 2011-01-11 23:21

hope to see backup mamager real soon.

# Grey1111111 2011-01-11 23:21

damn that was quick thanks i half expected to get hated on cause i couldn't tell i think ill keep Snes9x

but what do other people see when i use an emulator online?

# DangerMouse 2011-01-11 23:21

I say there should be a counter-sue for the Sony company for taking away otherOS and false advertising their system. FYI, a cease-and-desist is just a threat of lawsuit, it doesn't mean you will be served a lawsuit; however, they aren't doing anything illegal in the US by offering information and ways to jailbreak the system. Jailbreaking is legal in the US by federal law under the clause "allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws." I think the sad thing about this is with how much money sony has, the lawsuit could go on for a while.. and due to the little guys not having the money to fight back may get trampled on a bit. Sony certainly is an evil corporation; sure they may be trying to protect their assets and the game companies that develop for their system, but they shouldn't have removed otherOS as a feature, and should have allowed homebrew in the first place. If they wanted to sue anyone it should be people distributing mass amounts of copied games. I believe it is your right to back-up your games, and be able to play them from hard disk But to distribute the back-ups to others that haven't purchased the game, if it's still available, then cease-and-desist should be given and if not followed have the right to sue for compensation.

# Nick 2011-01-11 23:23

loool, they gain time. Other hackers could shit theirselves, accused hackers will pause progress!

# J 2011-01-11 23:23

Thats BS!!! they are just mad because they cant patch the sheit! LOW BLOW SONY!!!

# akslds 2011-01-11 23:24

what i cant understand is that by sueing and creating a court case, wouldnt that expose more people to the existence of jailbreaks and hacks, at the moment we make up a small portion of gamers, sony is only owning themselves even more lol

# mat 2011-01-11 23:24

their is no backup manager on ps3 3.55 so their is no ps3 games being pirated im curious as to whether or not sony bans anyone for piracy to be honest i havent (cant)copy a single game so who would be suing who?

# J 2011-01-11 23:25

Thats BS!!! they are just mad because they cant patch the sheit! LOW BLOW SONY!!! BOOOOOO

# cp0020 2011-01-11 23:25

just read that flukes1 and the other guys have stopped working on their project for awhile because of this shit... :(

# Nick 2011-01-11 23:25

there's psp2 in the horizon, are you sure?
nintendo claims 3ds will be unhackable, i am curious which system will take less to hack.
Ps3 was a hidden whore, but in the end she takes all her clothes off, if you know what I mean ;)

# Lior 2011-01-11 23:26

GEOHOT IS GETTTING WHAT HE DESERVES WHEN U SCREW WITH SONY :)

# CRO-HAN 2011-01-11 23:26

I thought Geohot was a german resident. Don't the US govenment civil law dept need some exterdiction go get him and the docs are not tottally filled out i think this is a scare tatic from some sony employee.

# Shane 2011-01-11 23:26

Screw sony there a bunch of greedy idiots, Who cares about piracy it's gonna happen no matter what, There are still people paying for games, Plus there really isn't piracy involved with geohot and fail0verfl0w. Keep it real lol ALL SONY WANTS is money fuck them they can suck my freaking cock =P Hope they read this.

# J 2011-01-11 23:27

well who's going to have the first BM!!!! I know people are still waiting......

# MattyKop 2011-01-11 23:30

they will see Snes9x so best thing to do is when you are gonna play it sign out of psn, just to be on the safe side dude

# Grey1111111 2011-01-11 23:31

depending on how sony's lawyers word it thats all geohot and the failoverflow crew have to prove that they do not, have not, and never will condone piracy. all they need to do is show that on its own geohots CFW cannot load backups without someone else messing with it.

BTW off topic or not cause it involves geohot but is piracy on the iphone a huge issue i know the Cydia store doesn't have any as far as i'm aware

# sociallyantisocial 2011-01-11 23:31

flukes1 is still working on it. Just a little more private. If he gets it to work however im not sure how he plans on releasing it.

# Formula1 2011 will be awesome 2011-01-11 23:32

hidden whore

im loving that well listen............. let me tell you a lil secret this lil whores going to get raped inside out and ima firware all over her face. sony can pull there pants down and let me rape them with a jailbreak usb !
please bring out the backup manager asap dont be scared of sony ill release it publically with no remorse ! cock sukkers

# DeFus|on 2011-01-11 23:34

why arent they sewing all jailbreak makers (the 3.41) ones i mean, their hasent been any piracy yet with geohots and failovers hacks yet so they cant claim any damages, and i thourght that sony said they where going to respond with network updates not being gay and lawyering up

# Ministry 2011-01-11 23:35

Under the information for Geohot:
"Indeed, in the last few days, people have already started copying, playing and
trafficking in pirated copies of video games using the 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak."

As far as I know- no they haven't. Geohot tried to implement ways so you COULDN'T pirate. And people have been trafficking and playing illegal copies since 3.41 was hacked in the last quarter of 2010...

# Yo Mama 2011-01-11 23:35

HAHAAHAAHA. Wow those documents are straight up BS and will never hold up, neither group condones piracy, and even if Sony does stop them I'm sure we will see more hacks from anonymous sources. Sony is just trying to scare everybody to make a point. As you can see a lot of you are already trying to switch back to the 3.55 OFW lmao. But oh well I'll still be enjoying my offline 3.41 ps3.

# none 2011-01-11 23:38

thats plenty of time to backup everything and delete the originals.

# r34per 2011-01-11 23:38

cmon guys. we need to stand together for this.we will show sony that they cnt hurt us. stand united and sony cnt do crap about it all. i will do everything i can to spread the word of cfw and not let it die! i will do everything i can to spread the homebrew and let the deveopment of himebrew continue. keeps those signing keys in as many places u can too. whos with me!

# PS3 2011-01-11 23:38

Well, I read most of the docs and the only thing, from what I can tell, that they really have on him is maybe the pkg signer he released, infringing the copyright of the keys.

# Zedtechus 2011-01-11 23:40

pffftttt ... who the fuck give a shit what you are!?

# sean 2011-01-11 23:41

i could understand suing them if they released all the games and the hack but at the moment all they are doing is making it so people can start to make there own things. the only thing that this may do is make more people buy the system because they want the other emulators, which dosn't effect sony at all.

sony is suing geohot and fail0verflow for bringing them more money. i know i have 2 ps3's one for hacks and one for psn. for me it was a little over $500 all because geohot and fail0verflow created a hack otherwise sony would only have $250.

if sony really wanted to stop this, all they had to do was bring back other OS but hey that would bring them less money.

i'm angry if you couldn't tell :)

# lisapower 2011-01-11 23:41

sony knows well how to spread fear!

1. Console is yours, becose you pay for it. what you do with it is in your hands.
2. What's with the People using ModChip Dongles since years, that can be found on the Internet?
3. What's with the People envolved in the PS3 Scene, would the take all to court?
4. it's the same procedure like on the iPhone shizzzzle.

We are not afraid Sony!

# lisapower 2011-01-11 23:42

sony knows well how to spread fear!

1. Console is yours, becose you pay for it. what you do with it is in your hands.
2. What’s with the People using ModChip Dongles since years, that can be found on the Internet?
3. What’s with the People envolved in the PS3 Scene, would the take all to court?
4. it’s the same procedure like on the iPhone shizzzzle.

We are not afraid Sony!

# sup dawg 2011-01-11 23:44

This will end in EPIC FAIL! 4 sony and all that they will have achieved in the end is to make GEOHOT and FAILOVERFLOW into EPIC WINNERS!

# none 2011-01-11 23:46

the honorable judge richard seeborg, i bet the head of sony was watching star trek when he made that name up.

# blandyman 2011-01-11 23:52

You should probably stay away from video-games. And people in general.

# none 2011-01-11 23:53

that will never stand up in court because sharing information on jailbreaking the ps3 cannot be classed as a circumvention device theres no hardware involved.

# zeron 2011-01-11 23:56

First of all,Sony is WRONG for this. Second, Sony did do something about PS Jailbreak. 3rd of all I wish a Sony employee would tell us what is happening inside their studios. Fourth of all those papers were talking about piracy. Geohot NEVER EVER had anything to do with piracy. So is fail0verflow. But we have to remember "HACKING" is something that is bad. It's going inside something making it do something it's not suppose to. So...

# Ralkage 2011-01-11 23:58

DCMA trying to rule the Internet.

First we lose Limewire, almost isohunt and now they go after people who already stated that there was no piracy intended -_-

American Policies=FAIL.

# none 2011-01-12 00:03

lol at Sony, if the playstation 3 was highly sophisticated apparatus it wouldn't be using a static number for security.

# cyrax 2011-01-12 00:03

DON T PANIC THEY DIDN T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL: IF I BUY A PC IT IS MINE AND I CAN CHANGE WHAT I WANT ON IT: AND IF SONY IS UNABLE TO PROTECT THEIR OWN SYSTEM THEN IT S THEIR FAULT: SINCE WHEN IT IS ILLEGAL TO ENCRYPT CODES? THIS IS FUNNY GUYS:SONY WANT TO SCARY THE HACKERS AND TO SAFE TIME:NO JUDGE OF THE WORLD COULD TALK THEM GUILTY:::?! for nothing!

# jpats 2011-01-12 00:04

This is just going to piss off the devs even more making it a priority to fk Sony even more. Sony has nothing against them.

# BeeBop 2011-01-12 00:05

I'm sure this won't stop anything. Most of you should be more concerned that you can't spell worth a sh!t, other than not getting a 3.55 BM. Possibly take a few English as a second language courses.

# Z02 2011-01-12 00:05

Sony shouldnt have been cheap bastards, they should invested a couple more million into the security and they wouldnt have this problem. Then again I was upset when we lost other OS and this is what they deserve. They take shit away we take some back. Game pirating happens reguardless even before they found the keys, the keys just make it easier. These guys imo have not done anything illegal, they are not selling or profiting from any of this. Sony on the other hand yea, they may lose a few million but that is at their fault for not investing enough into the security of the system. You get what you paid for,and they got 4 years protection. Now suck it up and take it like a man Sony!

# DeFus|on 2011-01-12 00:06

the stupid thing about this is that sony sell their console as a home entertainment system and have made it so it plays all kinds of PIRATED movies and music, it is actually probally the best device out their for letting you play your PIRATED movies and music, im not going to use the word hipicrite but its just something they shoukd think about....

# Dee 2011-01-12 00:10

I think the real reason why sony is pissed off is because geo released the masterkeys to the public!! It was basically a license to all devs that can hack. But i think as long as u not running a backup manager u r in good hands.

# 450rider 2011-01-12 00:10

Yup that is what is going to happen :) fuck you Sony!!!!!

# piyei420 2011-01-12 00:11

oh sony you have done it again. things like this happend when you take away software that made the ps3 special( you made it sucky suck )and us the community are trying to make it fun again

# Farrukh 2011-01-12 00:12

All hackers unite! create a working backup manager with an expiration date of when the Geo Hot trial is over, and allow game pirating untill then. Sony sued someone who they should have asked for help from. He's only a kid. He didnt even want pirating in the first place!

All HACKERS UNITE!All HACKERS UNITE!All HACKERS UNITE!

# Dubsta 2011-01-12 00:14

If they have good lawyers that are familiar with the freedom of information act & a few other consumer codes of purchase then they might get off, besides wtf can sony get out of suing em aren't they just kids?

# Word of logic 2011-01-12 00:15

An exert from sonys motion for TRO:

" The Root Keys, or “Metldr Keys,” that Hotz wrongfully compromised are
part of a TPM in the PS3 System, and are necessary to authenticate code that runs on a
critical level of that System. Mogilefsky Decl. ¶12. With access to this particular level, one
can control crucial functions and operations of the PS3 System and execute code that will
enable pirated video games to run on the PS3 System. Id.
Knowing that the “Metldr Keys” can defeat TPMs in the PS3 System, Hotz began
using these proprietary Keys as a component of a Circumvention Device that applies SCEA
signatures to any file, effectively “tricking” the PS3 System into running unauthorized
programs. Mogilefsky Decl. ¶23. On January 2, 2011, Hotz published the Metldr Keys on his
website under the banner “keys open doors.” Bricker Decl. at ¶23, Ex. V. By doing so, Hotz
purposefully compromised the confidentiality of those Keys and invited other software pirates
to incorporate the Keys into their own circumvention technology. Id. (quoting Hotz January
2nd post: “use this info wisely”). Hotz’s distribution of the Metldr Keys enabled software
pirates to create and run unauthorized copies of video games. Mogilefsky Decl. ¶20.
Shortly thereafter, Hotz began incorporating the Metldr Keys into other Circumvention
Devices and software packages that he or other hackers had built. Mogilefsky Decl. ¶23.
Many of these Devices and packages – including “dePKG Firmware Decrypter” – were of
limited use without SCEA’s proprietary Keys. Armed with some of SCEA’s Keys, however,
3 Hotz further recognized the FAIL0VERFLOW Defendants’ contribution to his circumvention
method, stating “props to fail0verflow.” Bricker Decl. ¶22, Exh. U. The FAIL0VERFLOW
Defendants confirmed their collaboration with Hotz by posting the following statement on
their Twitter page: “We discovered how to get the keys. . . . Geohot exploited metldr, then
used our trick to get its keys.” Id. at ¶3, Exh. B.

PLAINTIFF'S EX PARTE MOTION FOR TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER; ORDER OF IMPOUNDMENT
Case No. _______________ _______
9
Hotz was able to use his dePKG Firmware Decrypter to decrypt a version of SCEA’s
firmware,4 modify the firmware to remove and/or bypass some of its TPMs, and add a digital
signature using the compromised Metldr Keys. Mogilefsky Decl. ¶22. On January 7, 2011,
Hotz posted a video to YouTube demonstrating his circumvention of the PS3 System’s
access controls and execution of this unauthorized, modified version of SCEA’s firmware.
Bricker Decl. at ¶24, Exh. W. He referred to this process as “jailbreaking,” and happily
explained that the “jailbroken” firmware allowed him to run other unauthorized programs on
the PS3 System. Id."

basicly sony has no case here.

# steve 2011-01-12 00:16

As the great Geohot said nothing is unhackable

# steve 2011-01-12 00:19

Anyway the only way that they can get in trouble for this is if they went to sony HQ and stole the master keys. But all the keys are in the PS3 system which we own so we own the keys as well.

# Munk 2011-01-12 00:19

This will never fly. MS just had a case thrown out where they had the guy dead to rights for modifying consoles to read "backups", but the key to their case was that the guy demonstrated the working firmware using a pirated game. When the judge threw that part out MS admitted they had no case because the actual modification of the system fell under fair use.

fail0verflow and geohotz didnt put anything in their releases that enables piracy, and in geohotz case he put in some patches to prevent it.

Sony is just hoping this scare tactic will succeed where their shitty system security failed.

# Dee 2011-01-12 00:22

I knew it! As mention in the affadavit, it states that the ps3 has signature checking that verifies software on it system.the other key is held by scea and is not located on the system!so i was right about sony having another key in the vault!!!!

# David 2011-01-12 00:25

I see this as a two way thing. 1. Sony really doesn't care about Geohot or fail0verflow. It seems that they're only doing this because of piracy. What do you think will happen if they don't go to court because of this? Big time game developers will stop producing games for Sony. If you've read the court docs, the ONLY thing that Sony is trying to get at is piracy. Sony gets money from these people too. But not like they would their systems. I see it as the game devs like Naughty Dog, EA, Polyphony, Insomniac, and other big devs were threatening Sony to do this, hence piracy being the main thing in the docs. If they don't make games for Sony anymore then there wouldn't be a reason for a next-gen Playstaion anymore. 2. If this isn't because of the developers threatening Sony, then this is just stupid on Sony's part. Geohot didn't condone piracy and there proof. If Sony wants to use proof against Geohot, they might as well not be biased and say that he at least tried to counter piracy. But then again, the court system is just a game.

# Word of logic 2011-01-12 00:25

The real reason sony is filing this suit is to make a large show for the gameing developer heres how the sysatem works

Sony(creates the council and sells it to the masses.)>gaming company(designs the game and buys the licencing rights from sony to produce the game for the system)>retailer(sel ls the game)>consumer(buy s the council from sony and the game from a retailer and in legall terms buys (rents) the license for the game and council.)

This was the system before the jailbreak of the ps3
here is the system after( in a worse case scenerio) and why son is suing him

sony>developer>retailer>consumer>tpb(a piracy site)>everyone with a hacked council that doesn't want to pay for the game.>gaming company looses money and no longer produces games for sony>sony loses money and gets mas> Sony sues hackers> hackers hack the system some more> and repeat with the next councils to be released.

# zzaz3 2011-01-12 00:26

I used to think Geohot was a douche bag and I still kind of do, but I feel bad for him now. After all that trouble and careful evading he went through to avoid a lawsuit from happening he still gets sued.

Then again, Sony has the right to take legal action. I guess none of us thought that they actually would..

Good luck guys! Thanks for everything. (I hope we can still get the dual boot linux from failoverflow..)

# David 2011-01-12 00:29

And actually, fail0verflow just showed Sony how the messed up.

# Fish Sandwich 2011-01-12 00:29

Fuck yeah man I like that attitude. This does suck that noone will probably fuk with the mutiman now. just hope someone still has the balls to make it work.

# David 2011-01-12 00:32

Sony is already have a class-action sue against them because of it. The court docs were files sometime late last year, around October/November

# madd hatter 2011-01-12 00:33

the case pending the hackers there is no way the lawsuit can stand without documentedproof that the hackers actually pirating a legal product of Sony entertainment. The pkg signer is not a legal product of Sony entertainment as the hackers produced the program without any part of Sony entertainment's pkg signer as such the case pending is falsified evidence and as Such all legal action by Sony is useless

# none 2011-01-12 00:36

yeah, but the keys were found in his console. if he owns a ps3 i presume he own the software and all data that was stored/installed on it too

# Word of logic 2011-01-12 00:37

exactly the point. sony is simply making a massive show for the devs read my earlier comment in wich i queted parts of the transcript from sonys reson for TOR. they say geohuts firmware enables piracy when it doesnt. hs firmware has to be moded and then overwritten by another before piracy is enabled. and f thier talking about the direct boot from the xmb thing well thats completley different considering the fact that you not him have to mess with the game files. and the whole point of this is that sony doesnt make money from the games they make money from the license that the company buys to use software on thier system. sony gets a small amount of profit from each game sold due to the license even if it were like 10% sony would still be raking in a good 20 to 30 million from the amount of copies of black ops sold in the first week of its release. if it were pirated then sony would have lost at most only about 2 million. thats practly spare change for them.However the dev companies wouldnt be to pleased with that so sony decides to take out it's "big boy pant" and try to make a stand for thier own crappy security.

# SASU 2011-01-12 00:38

yeah talking about your mama

dont ya!!!??

# Reisen 2011-01-12 00:39

Wow, I like that they are going for 18 USC 1030(a)(7)(B) Intent to Extort, claiming that when geohot said "if you want your next console to be secure, get in touch with me" on his website.
Hard to say if Sony has alot of legal ground since jailbreaking was found legal in the U.S., although I'm betting that was in a different court circuit. I definitely see that the preliminary injunction will happen and geohot and fail0verflow will be restricted from doing anymore homebrew work for as long as Sony drags the trial on.

# Oribus 2011-01-12 00:39

les tabarnak! that's absolutely a stupid lost of time! going back to biker mices from mars on snes9x hell yeah!

# Erosion 2011-01-12 00:40

(First post in any forum, but this deserves to steal my virginity) Not sure what Sony is trying to do here. The issue in question has been settled before. Once you own the property you can make modifications. Sent the case to one of my law profs for his opinion on what this is all about. ACLU might take this one since it is a civil right. This will be interesting to watch.

# Word of logic 2011-01-12 00:40

in the document sony doesnt mmention a judge. where did uyou get the name from?

# redzombi2k 2011-01-12 00:40

LOL, agreed blandyman!
Where do these 'people' come from?

# Jack Hill 2011-01-12 00:43

I am glad this is going to court. finally sony will lose and we are given the right to hack our rightfully owed systems and have linix back up and running in which none of this would have happened if sony didn't take it away in the first place. i was so pissed ficin sony with there bate and switch crap. good luck geo and failoverflo. if the shit goes like it did in spain you will win. and the fall of sony begins:) i was a huge fan of sony but with all there crap that they pulled on the ps3 i can't trust to buy anyting from them anymore.....

# krake 2011-01-12 00:44

f**k sony, well done guys,lol

# David Hasslehoff 2011-01-12 00:45

I dont think there is a law suit...I think its Geofag and team heavyflowday to dip out.I think they are paranoid and want to disappear from the scene without lookin like the bitches that they are.And if there really is a lawsuit...I dont think it was wise to go on TV braggin about defeating $ony's billion dollar baby.

# For_The_Underdog 2011-01-12 00:47

When you pirate games, not only do you hurt sony, you hurt the people that are making the games, you are taking away from their means of making a living, anyone you pirates is a douche.

# The Dude 2011-01-12 00:51

I have had plenty of dealing with the courts...maybe I will tell you another day.... But back to the point. This all seems a little to put on to me. No court in the world is going to issue papers then expect you in court the same day or the next day as these "papers" imply. Second they are in PDF? Not scanned pdf either. So layers email you now to serve you? I dunno just seems a little hokey. Not saying it isn't shitty. They had to have seen this coming though so lets hope they are ready for it. In the end they are just martyrs anyway.

# Syntaxx 2011-01-12 00:52

Really learned alot of this hacking shit, now i know how the ps3 system works, how a game boots up, how...

Really having a fun time getting backups to work and stuff!

# Dee 2011-01-12 00:52

Time to restore besides i got emulators on my psp and im not trying to get ban!!

# MadDoggyca 2011-01-12 00:53

I sence that 4chan and Aony. are on the movie to ddos sony soon..

# I'mthisdude 2011-01-12 01:00

Sony left their keys under the doormat instead of keeping them safe, and are upset that fail0verflow and geohot told the world that they had done something so careless. The hackers didn't do any door opening or trespassing themselves, they just showed us the possibility, and we took the initiatives on our own.

These orders accuse of enabling piracy and going as far as to assume that the intents of fail0verflow and geohot were to abuse Sony's right to make money on legally made software, when the truth is that they just wanted to make it possible for people to run their own made programs, not directly facilitating ANYTHING illegal.

None of the hackers have done anything that allows you to pirate PS3 software, thus none of them have caused direct harm to Sony.

ALL that fail0verflow have done is re-enabled otherOS potentially, a feature that was removed violating consumer laws around the world.

ALL that geohot has done is enabled the signing and installing of homebrew software for gameOS, without patching lv2 which is required for piracy, and not doable anyway, because it bricks PS3s.

On top of that, all of them have ONLY ever released sourcecode, so the end users who compile and redistribute firmware files later, with their own added developments that enable piracy, are the ones who are more unlawful than these original coders.

On top of that, geohot and fail0verflow metaphorically gave us a spoon and fork for our spaghetti and said, "eat if you know how", in terms of their de/packaging and signing tools, so that average people of the general public who were not skilled enough could not use or abuse their work.

Sony are pretty much just stamping their feet like little kids and suing whoever they can to ward off further development. It seems more of a scare tactic and finger pointing than an actual resolution to anything! These guys are not responsible for any future financial losses that Sony may incur, but the people who choose to build on this work to make piracy possible. It's a bit late for crying Sony, you should have thought of that before you goofed up on your encryption!

Sony really don't have much to lose anyway, because piracy is something only a tiny proportion of people will partake in - usually people who wouldn't be able to afford regular games anyway, and wouldn't buy them because they can't! People who /can/ afford games, /DO/ buy them legally!

This just goes to show what an EVIL company Sony are, willing to ruin the lives of a few talented creatives for the sake of money they wouldn't be getting anyway.

# Dovlek 2011-01-12 01:01

i just hope that the community hold together!

# FunUniversity 2011-01-12 01:03

I am not in law, but isn't one of the first statements here completely incorrect?

"Through the Internet, Defendants are distributing software, tools and instructions (collectively, “Circumvention Devices”) that circumvent the TPMs in the PS3 System and facilitate the counterfeiting of video games. Already, pirated video games are being packaged and distributed with these circumvention devices."

# Monster 2011-01-12 01:06

can anybody give me a quick tutorial on how to add roms to the snes please... Thank you :)

# jazzneo 2011-01-12 01:07

any console system can be hack you just need to brain know hot to do it

# XMafiaX 2011-01-12 01:07

What rights do you have when modding your console?
Ars spoke to Jennifer Granick, the Civil Liberties Director of the Electronic Freedom Foundation to find out. The news was bad. "With hardware, you can do pretty much anything you want with it. There are very few rules that apply. You buy it, you own, you can take it apart, and that's perfectly fine," she explained. The problem is that no one simply modifies the hardware. "It becomes complicated with modern hardware because it's combined with firmware, the embedded software."

The infamous DMCA states that you can't circumvent any software protection to get at the copyrighted work it protects. If you're using a software exploit or installing a mod chip, you're disabling that protection to allow yourself to run homebrew code, and you're running afoul of the DMCA. "Thou shall not circumvent," Granick told Ars, counting the two ways to break the law. "And thou shall not provide tools to others.

The intent is meaningless. Even if you simply want to modify an Xbox to use as a media center, you're breaking the law, since you've given the system the ability to run unsigned code.

# dumbasd 2011-01-12 01:08

Present matter, most of the fail 0verflow team is located outside the us, where the dmca has no authority. Anywhere outside the us Sony has little chance of success, especially in Europe where nodding your console is legal and consumer protection laws are very strict. Even in the us though Sony has an uphill battle, all lawsuits that have to do with system hacking like this have ended badly for the plaintiffs.

# GINGERBREADMAN 2011-01-12 01:08

This may be a dumb question but if I have OFW 2.XX and I use Geohotz CFW 3.55 and Wanted to use the option to restore my OFW would it be OFW 3.55? or would I get my 2.XX OFW?

If anyone can answer this with confirmation that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you fellas.

# Tommy 2011-01-12 01:09

Sooooo Sony is mad because someone is smarter than they are

# SASU 2011-01-12 01:13

OH PLEASE GRANDPA TELLUS MORE ABOUT YOUR STORIES.....!!!!!

dumbass.... no one cares about your stories

# cyrax 2011-01-12 01:22

something is wrong about this....not signed papers. everything is going too fast...could it be that SONY AND GEO COOPERATES SO THAT THERE SHOULDN T BE A BM...maybe he is paid by sony and the publication is the plan to stop other hacking...it s only a thought

# cartman 2011-01-12 01:27

this site is in the eye of sony. so careful guys,

# rick rude 2011-01-12 01:32

these are fake, same order issued for jailbreak sellers, names and dates and a few minor detail changed.

# Anonyumaaas 2011-01-12 01:32

You reap as you sow, I bet gehot doesn't think his "give me a call if you don't want this to happen again" crack is funny now, Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposing what he did or what's going to result from it, I'm saying he got what he deserved believing this would net him a job.

# Read_the_Statutes 2011-01-12 01:33

So much chat, little understanding in here.

Read the laws(statutes.

Not one of these ORDERS are signed and since the courts are "de-facto" (You might want to learn this word and "de-jure" courts, acting in commerce, then All orders are no diff. then going to a restaurant and ordering food. At the end of the day you pay a bill. So if the Judge makes an order, turn around and bill him if you follow the order. Plus never give the Courts jurisdiction over you. "Hotz and his officers, employees,
attorneys and representatives , and all other persons or entities in privity or acting in
concert or participation with Defendant Hotz" SEE THE WORD PERSON??? This is a legal definition for person."Many laws give certain powers to "persons" business organizations that have been formally registered such as partnerships, corporations or associations." SO if geohot and the others are not registered "Persons" then now of this matters. This is all they need to know when they go to court and state that they are not "Persons". This is not legal advise. If you want legal advice, see a lawyer. GO GEOHOT AND ALL OTHER. I do not condone Piracy!!!! :)v Much love!!

# Anonyumaaas 2011-01-12 01:33

you do know Uncharted 2 has been out for a while now, right?

# Anonyumaaas 2011-01-12 01:36

it's your PS3, its not your code, you own the console but the operating system that runs on it is the property of Sony, moral issue aside, either you're doing it, or you're not, don't try to justify this crap legally because you're sounding like an idiot, did you ever read a legal disclaimer on anything? I think it's about time to read the one on your PS3, just because you own something doesn't give you the automatic legal right to do with it as you will, otherwise Michael Vick would be in no trouble, after all, he "owned" those dogs, so he can do with them as he will, right?

# poker ran 2011-01-12 01:37

Ban on all Sony products. If you buy you are helping to pay sonys lawyers. If sell drop maybe they will listen and just give us back otheros

# Jonathan 2011-01-12 01:39

" The 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak code allows users to install and run unauthorized software – including
pirated video games "

^^That is not true. Geohot made clear announcement that his jailbreak did not allow piracy and even still today we have no way of piracy(other than psn games). Hope Sony learns their lesson cause they just wasted a lot of money in this lawsuit.

# Mark Hotz 2011-01-12 01:40

I'm about to Sue Sony.

# MadDoggyca 2011-01-12 01:42

ya use the file manger and copy over roms fomr USB HDD to a Folder in dev_hdd0/games/*****

explample. my snes roms are located at dev_hdd0/games/snes/roms/a,b,c,d and soo on

I filed my aphibedicly.

load emulatore and fined your wayaroudn the file system to were you copyed your roms to

# your daddy 2011-01-12 01:46

I JUST READ THE WHOLE THING

this shit wont fly
sony is mad because they lost
they now want to sue for millions so they can have enough money to make ps4

these guys will win because hopfully they have all open source reverse engineered stuff..

they wuld only be in trouble if they are in possession of sony codes and/or backup games without the original

# js 2011-01-12 01:47

Smartest comment I've read in this entire thread!!! Where do these idiots come from?

# MadDoggyca 2011-01-12 01:47

NO but it acutally doee alowe use of pireted games..

3D dot Hero, and Casitalvina is a example of this.

# BAM 2011-01-12 01:48

We should donate to these guys, just to pay for their lawyers.

# Lampião 2011-01-12 01:57

Sony is just keeping away the real gamers with all this shit. If we are not giving money directly to the developers, then we can create backup managers with ads to pay them, that's just one of the stupid solutions. We need to motivate these minds.

# BAM 2011-01-12 01:57

And so what that "allow" piracy? If I give to a friend a knife that allows him to killing his mother, should I be prosecuted?

# anon 2011-01-12 02:03

Is it so difficult to release it anonymously and on a public network.

# grayjo 2011-01-12 02:04

yeah! and while we're at it, buying games second hand doesn't support the developers too so if you buy a game second hand, you are a douche!

# Tomppa 2011-01-12 02:10

I have never bought a game in my life thought I don't even play but I do like consoles to do other kind of things with them. I know many game developers and they win millions of dollars/euros so can't really feel sorry for them ( and this is making games for platforms that can be pirated ). So don't be naive, most people will buy their games even if it would be possible to copy as it is not exactly that cheap to pirate at all, people who earns good money don't have time to download games, it is what teenagers do and nobody could afford to buy all the games anyways. You are defending people who have more than you will ever have anyways which is bit patetic, more Robin Hood would be good for economy, too much money in few hands is bad for anyone ;)

# Mark 2011-01-12 02:12

This won't go through, Sony will lose on this one it says they are distributing software and tools on the internet to allow counterfeiting of video games ?!?! which is incorrect they might have found what enables piracy aka lvl 2 but they made a custom firmware that prevents the piracy of lvl 2 and only allows homebrew. Sony you will fail hard on this especially when you jerk offs took away install other os and in Europe they have a law to give back money of something that was called back after the item was sold to a person therefore Sony you should have fucked off all we wanted was other os and you assholes took it so we are fighting back to get it.

# chris 2011-01-12 02:23

they should release something for playing games on 3.55, anonymously and on a public network just to screw sony up.

# Ralkage 2011-01-12 02:28

I like how they keep mentioning "pirated video games" and "In the last few days, people have already started copying, playing and
trafficking in pirated copies of video games using the 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak." in the MTRO pdf knowing backup manager doesn't allow us to currently play our backed up games on 3.55.

inb4Sonyloses.

# none12374 2011-01-12 02:41

I have to disagree with a few people that keep claiming geohotz fw 3.55 prevents piracy which in fact it does not if it did i would not be able to run full working PSN games downloaded from megaupload and installed as a pkg file if his lv2 patch did what he claimed it does(keep piracy @ bay)i would not be playing these games myself, i am not an every day hacker just a simple dude that likes to play video games and if modding the system that i purchased from day one in 2006 is what i fucking want to do then fuck you sony im going to do it ban me bitch i will continue to play backups and emulators and run signed codes of what ever sort in just would like to thank fail0vefl0w and geohotz for the cooperative work the have accomplished and for letting me and all fellow gamers save a few bucks by switching to fw 3.55 and with that im out and to all the hackers out there that put a hault on there projects bcause of this legal crap STOP BEING PUSSIES AND KEEP WORKING ON CFW'S AND OTHER PKGS BITCH ASS NIGGAS STOPPED WHEN THEY READ GEO AND FAIL GOT SERVED WITH PAPERS.

# perspex 2011-01-12 02:46

NOOO!!! WE'll SUPPORT U GEOHOT AND FAILOVERFLOW!!! !!!!

# lizz3 2011-01-12 02:53

Fuck to sony
No one can stop hackers

# Dan 2011-01-12 03:00

^lmao, i fuckin died ahaha

# n 2011-01-12 03:06

yeah screw sony. the hackers should just make a gaming system themselves from scratch and distribute it. Oh wait they cant. So who wins if sony loses??

# remy2501 2011-01-12 03:08

we should all start a class action lawsuit against sony for disturbing our right to jailbreak our systems..

oh by the way.. today i hacked my ps3 to toast bread while i get my homebrew on with some emulators, played in remote play, thru my psp-1000 thats on cfw...

so i heard you like monies... so we put monies in your dollars, so you can rub your quarters together, to get more monies...

# Joshie 2011-01-12 03:08

OMG! Big deal! Sony is such a cry baby... how about release another console and use better encryption on the key? This is how I see it: If you leave your key underneath the mat and people found that key and used it to enter your home to steal you 70" flat screen tv then it's your fucking fault! Nevertheless kudos to GeoHot and the rest of the hackers for all the good stuff. BTW, in the future - I'd like to be able to have a looping video as my XMB background or Install windows 7 in my ps3. That would be sick! Woot!

# Dovlek 2011-01-12 03:26

fuck sony, we are not doing anything illegal, well not me, i just back up games i do own

# Michel 2011-01-12 03:40

The reason they start this now is that they feel he hacked it and there is no way back the only way to stop it now is getting them behind jail. better make some copys fast and publish all hacks from now somewhere

# Geofferey 2011-01-12 03:45

To say that this has caused irreprable damage to the company is ludicrous, and even a lie. I'mthisdude is right not a high enough percentage of the population knows/cares about the events that have take place to damage anything. People had already found ways to run pirated games on their PS3's long before these modifications were released and could do so by purchasing a 30-50$ USB key/jig. It's been a year or two since those were released and Sony still hasn't been ran into the ground. If it hasn't happened at that it ain't gonna happen. I mean shit they almost done that themselves by releasing a console with a starting price of 500-600$. I'm willing to bet that more jailbreakable ps3's will be sold to people like me who really want their device to do "EVERYTHING" including playing music in ALL games, which needs to be worked on BTW, f'in Xbox. That being said hackers have made the world what it is today including the possibility of a ps3 and Sony need not forget that. They just need to take the loss and deal with it. Apple has to. Piracy is not as big a deal as they are making it out to be. I could care less about it and so could 95% of the people who don't own a jailbroken ps3. Me I just want more features and the ability to back MY games up and there's nothing wrong with that.

# tyson 2011-01-12 03:45

And obviously you do not have one jazzneo.

# labashabado 2011-01-12 03:47

I'm glad to see people are fighting for there rights of what they can do with something they bought and own.. don't let these goons make you a puppet on a string. you bought the product you own it do the hell you want with it. go hackers!!. just don't hack me. hehe !!

# Rebel_X 2011-01-12 03:55

I couldn't agree more with you. second hand games doesn't
add to profit or sale counts for game developers/publishers.
Anyways, it's not like the people who pirates are potential
buyers, they are usually don't have enough to buy 10 games
priced $60 = $600, that is insane, but still there are a lot
of fools who buy games at that price, for me I would buy
if the games where cheaper like $30 or less.

But I bought MGS4 brand new, a year ago for $12 from ebay,
does that make me douche??

# AXG 2011-01-12 03:56

Well yeah you are technically right but imagine this: a system without a readable format, like a UMD but DO NOT put any type of USB on the device and theoretically you should not have an easily hacked product.
Now thats what Sony thought with exactly what I stated, the UMD but they put a mini USB plug on the PSP and there goes your hack :)

Obviously there could always be some cheap Chinese clone to read that UMD type format and then upload it but that might take some time and perhaps be very expensive.

# Geofferey 2011-01-12 04:06

# Tippa 2011-01-12 04:10

Sony are Haters </3

# shabado 2011-01-12 04:16

If people didn't pirate games, and hacked consoles were used exclusively for homebrew by 100% of the people who hacked their PS3s, I sincerely doubt Sony would bother throwing Geohot and the rest under the legal bus.

They only care that the hacks happened to their console people it leads to piracy, and piracy is what they're trying to prevent. Every single one of you on this site would do the exact same thing they're doing if you were the heads of Sony, so stop with the bullshit "waahh fuck Sony, they can't tell me what to do with my system!"

They don't give a shit if you run an NES emulator on their console, but they DO care if you pirate Uncharted 3 or Littlebigplanet 2, because that takes money out of their pockets and the pockets of the developers, which is bad.

I'm not writing this to say everyone on this site is wrong, because I've pirated games as much as the next guy.
What I'm trying to say is anyone who leaves a comment whining about Sony trying to bring them down or "fuck Sony they can't tell me what to do" or "This is bullshit! Im never buying a Sony product again!" is full of shit, because you would be doing the exact same thing as them if you were in their shoes.

That's my 2 cents.

# Djhg2000 2011-01-12 04:23

Most devices have an internet connection nowadays (think TIFF exploit), so that argument doesn't hold up very well...

# Brick 2011-01-12 04:44

Actually, they were only out for about 4-6 months...

That said, I think all this proves is that they can't do shit with firmware (desperation), and I'm confident this'll go down in court real quick...

# Mezmerize 2011-01-12 05:24

So...where does this leave us with a Backup Loader... ?

# nikingtwo 2011-01-12 05:44

hehe now we all know where geohot lives!

# Kalisto 2011-01-12 05:49

So geohot put all the info back up on his website for all the stuff we need, we better get it while we have the chance.
Www.geohot.com/old_index.html

# Kenneth 2011-01-12 06:09

Why wouldn't an ISO loader work for a backup manager?

# Chewy 2011-01-12 06:10

Okay guys, to all you that are saying "Oh I don't pirate games", so you're telling me that you don't have EVER JUST ONE pirated game? I call BS! If you're going to take the time to hack your PS3, you're going to take the time to pirate a game...

# loooool 2011-01-12 06:19

Hahahaha I hope they lose

# zlas 2011-01-12 06:36

Why don't they stand on the fact that the same thing (jailbreak and running unauthorized code with potential piracy) is totally legal on the iPhone?

# Andre 2011-01-12 06:42

Thx Sony i hope it would be a great day for Sony and all the TPM hacks must be deleted. If you got not enough money to play your fucking shit on a pc the ps 3 are sheap hardware thats thru.

# Mark 2011-01-12 07:08

Think this is all a marketing ploy!!! Sony have to appear to be bothered over these hacks/Jailbreaks to show their loyalty to 3rd party developers but in reality, I think Sony knows this generation of consoles is nearing the end of its shelf life, ie most of the people who want a PS3 will probably already own one by now. What better way is there to shift hardware than to reveal a way to hack your console. People who werent interested in playing it before might consider purchasing one, and people who do and are frightened of a PSN ban might pick up a 2nd one. In short ... a masterstroke!

# Alex 2011-01-12 07:09

Is this our reward for buying sony products?
I won't buy any product of sony in future.

I had Linux on my PS3 and now i DONT!
Thank you SONY.

See you at ps4...that i will NOT buy.

# KenKutaragi 2011-01-12 07:18

This so called 'hacker' should of been more aware of his online presence. He wouldn't of been served any legal papers if he had remained anonymous, but no, like most he tried to cash out.

GG he is screwed now, nothing will help him against sony's lawyers.

Also, it's too late for them to start accepting donations, it would basically be an admission of guilt.

Ken Kutaragi.

# Mentality 2011-01-12 07:30

They accuse Hotz of accepting terms and conditions purley because he has updates which means he must have made an account since the update is only available that way and there for he must have accepted the terms and conditions.

Well I'm sorry but an unmodified update is freely redistributable as far as I know, and a quick look at playstation.com head over the Playstation 3, and the update is there without having to accept any T&C's

# bigmeatyclaws 2011-01-12 07:33

apart from banning users sony are now f\_/cked
does anyone one know what shows up on another ps3 when your playing brew?

i think they should ban everyone right now, create a double update upgrade that will change all the keys and patch the holes.

it would only take a couple of days to put it out in the news how to download and get updates and back online, SIMPLE!

# smgrgn 2011-01-12 07:36

I say let the brew begin....any type of brew at all.no matter how big or small.From mp3 players, photo apps to file managers.Flood the place.Sony should have done this from the start.locking out most of there consoles potential was a big mistake.as far as I'm concerned I payed for it, my warranty is up so I can do what ever the hell I want with it. If I decide to play pirated games I'm breaking the law. Unless geehot has made an app called "play pirated games to screw Sony out of a small % of money" I think he'll be ok.

Geehot and the guys from fail0verflow should set up a non profit site for donations to cover there legal fees. I'd donate.

# bigmeatyclaws 2011-01-12 07:36

i enjoyed pumping yours last night!

# leegames 2011-01-12 07:40

If SONY gave a lifetime garinty for there DISK and replaced em for free or maybe a small handleing fee like $10 if you send the damaged disk back to them then no one would need to copy games and then they would win there law suit until then I will not but anything more from SONY
and until now i have got a PS1 PS2 PS3 60 gig and 2 PSPs now there not going to get anymore of my money I will wait until MicroSoft make a new Console and bye that Instead

# leegames 2011-01-12 07:59

MICROSOFT WIN SONY LOSE
Customers are leaveing SONY even if they win there law suit they LOSE alot of customers

# thie 2011-01-12 08:03

fuc/k you sony now theres no chance for our backup manager =/

# xteejx 2011-01-12 08:17

Well geohot lives in the US, not sure about fail0verflow, but under EU law it's legal to jailbreak or "hack" a system you own to be able to play backups you legally own. Should've lived here guys! :(

# Dr.Death 2011-01-12 08:18

next time, it better to to work in silent and to be anonymous, i like chines work style

# George 2011-01-12 08:28

Sony made a great mistake.

It is obvious that users try to overcame security of a piece of hardware that they own.

If Sony is not capable of taking security measures, maybe it's better that they change business.

I hope that every hacker in the world can use his strenght to open Sony product from here on.

# arieljr 2011-01-12 09:05

ehhhrmm...
i saw the documents on psx-scene and some of them are not signed, aren't supposed to be signed????

# wtf?! 2011-01-12 09:22

you dont get it do you... the ps3 is hacked on a hardware level patching the thing would take sony to recall all the ps3's ever sold and then replacing the hardware!

# Average Joe 2011-01-12 09:24

Why did you change the opening sentence from
"Ouch....scary stuff in the US" to
"Oh Uh...scary stuff in the US"

I guess the first sounded more of a pussy

# Sociallyantisocial 2011-01-12 09:24

Even the stamped documents have not been signed by a judge. Apparently the TRO goes in front of the Hon. Richard Seeborg today at 9:00am.

# Dee 2011-01-12 09:25

So they sent out a temporarily injuction against them, stopping the jailbreak beyond 3.55.that gives sony leverage to update but still dont keep thier system safe now that the masterkey is out!!

# dick 2011-01-12 09:29

the good news is we may finally get to see if the ego-nerds are as expert on legality as the have ALWAYS insinuated/stated that they are. that'd be fun to see. how about a 1.5 million dollar fine each?

# B0gM0nster 2011-01-12 09:29

This whole thing looks like Sony showing the Software industry that they are doing something about this (even if it unlikely to succeed) whole sorry security mess.

Movement isn't progress, and their legal arguments are questionable at best and will probably capture more news lines than the original hacks did. In fact this will probably bring the whole situation to more peoples attention, and without fully understanding what is going on people will see a big corporation going after the little guy.

Sony knows that you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and once the CFW was released to the public it became a damage limitation exercise.

If these hacks are as fundamental to the hardware as we are led to believe, then Sony have a real problem that they cannot fix with firmware so they are going down a cease and desist route, which will be almost guaranteed to fail as they will need to fight it in the EU as well as the US. And that gives them very different legal systems and rulings to get around.

All in all, this appears to be as much a publicity exercise as a real legal action, however I'm not sure whether the end result will actually help Sony.

# ital weed 2011-01-12 09:34

there be no backup manager. this is a bitch.

# manfree 2011-01-12 09:55

They said to their own customers-ps3 users that they will sue them and they won't stop on hackers.
Also with this crysis they can't afford to hire them...

# Dave 2011-01-12 10:04

I am skeptical as to what sony will sue for- What about if microsoft wanted to sue people because of a new hdd they don't want you to install or software.... As long as people are not selling hdd with pre installed games by the masses I do not know where this is going.Now if people are hacking the servers to download free games and stuff that would be an issue but merely penetrating the system I just don't see it..... I think sony want to go after the little guys of their bigger issues. I wonder if car retailer might do the same thing too sue for updating your vehicle-LOL......

# h8edmu8ic 2011-01-12 10:08

Well the lawsuit is the sign of "shit we fucked up we can recoup from this, so lets sue everyone we can and get whatever we can since we are a dying business anyways"
I don't believe Microsoft has hit this road yet... surprisingly. Either way Sony got caught with their pants down and is pissed.
Chances are if this receives news, many people will attempt to hack their ps3s (didn't we see this with thepiratebay traffic spike after news announcements of its lawsuit?).
It would've better to play it quiet, try to fix as much as possible without becoming a hot topic, because even though I believe this is to deter hackers from hacking it, it really only motivates them and to keep it more anonymous (screen names with no affiliation to real people).

# Mindflovv 2011-01-12 10:21

SONY are fuckers and haters.
Never ever gonna buy your shit once more
lawying up is the most pigeon-hearted way of this situation,hope Sony understand that

Go Hackers

Dont let them jail us

# Jack Tretton (president of SCE 2011-01-12 10:25

Ha-ha-ha-ha!
Now you, gamers and you, hackers will feel the real power of Sony! We will ban everyone, who jailbroken their ps3, we'l stop some ps3s working to demonstrate our power! Ah, yes, and we'l electrocute Geohot to show our power to all hackers in the world!

# Jack Tretton (president of SCE 2011-01-12 10:29

# ahhhh 2011-01-12 10:32

stop talking out ya ass IDIOT!

# Capt.Obvious 2011-01-12 10:42

Clearly we understand what side you are on and your view on this, but just as Sony did in the served papers, you made some points and manipulated other point to best serve you.

Yes he shouldn't have boasted about it but just as team fail0verflow showed, anonymous wouldn't have helped. Based on the last big event between GeoHot & Apple there was plenty legal help for him from the pulbic and legal entity competitors of Sony.

This case is going to be all about perspective and a test to the new changes in law which Sony has conviently failed to mention for explination in their papers. As for donations, the accepting of support is not an admission of guilt. Trying to shy people away with an opinionated statement that has no vadility. Shame on you :)

# Bug 2011-01-12 10:56

Sony invited the hacking population by removing an advertised functionality. I find it unfair that a corporation is able to get away with pretty much anything, in this case removing the OtherOs capability, which was already limited to a very small 10GB anyways, without anything but a slap on the wrist by the community. But on the other hand, ppl smart enough to find their mistakes are slapped with legal docs. I don't condone copyright infringement and backup loaders (which was not even the goal in the first place...), although the only fair thing would be that Sony could prove that they can do better instead of bullying ppl with nothing to win, other than pride and recognition. Being that scared in my mind, is admitting that they aren't the best when it comes to hardware/software design, but that their lawyers (which they can easily afford) gang up pretty well.

# stealthgyro 2011-01-12 11:09

where do I donate

# ???????? 2011-01-12 11:29

Did some research and SONY can really do nothing. SONY already stopped backups/piracy from playing in the 3.55 for now. These hacks are just to add more features. To me SONY is acting like a spoiled 16 year old girl with nothing better to do. There has been no damage to their system. The judge of that case is going to die of laughter. SONY is just wasting money. If I was running SONY? I would just deal with. Apple did when their products were "Jailbroken". Why can't SONY? Because they act like spoiled 16 year old girls.

# Capt.Obvious 2011-01-12 11:34

Based on everything being said, this is definatly an issue that will never go away. If companies such as Sony and other major competitors keep treating the public as though they just like being talked down to and told what to do then people will continue to revolt.

At First it seemed Sony was finally starting to listen to people by providing otheros so people could write their own programs (with limitations), and in return there were some preliminary attempts to hack the system but in the end the people did get what they asked for and they backed off. Sony even profited from the Air Force because of otheros.

Once the profits were accounted for, Sony basically spit at the public and military by removing otheros (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/... Sony figures things were quite for so long that they finally had control to tell other what to do with bought hardware others owned, and that people were too poor and stupid to do anything about it.

Now a little over 1/2 a year later, Sony is schooled. Since they have too much pride for their embarrasement, they want payback (literally). This is a last attempt for a final cash cow. Mainly through GeoHot using any information possible(releve nt or not to the case). The laws (even international) will protect fail0verflow. The purpose will be to protect the next upcomming systems. (Both confirmed and forced hardware changes) Now that the keys are out and CFWs are made, "anonymous" overseas teams that can't be touched will take over.

Piracy on all levels have and will continue to exist. It's something we do whether we like it or not, or are aware of it or not. The hacking of items that have changed ownership through purchacing isn't the issue, it's what is done with the product after being hacked. In the case of the ps3, if it is to continue to develop homebrew good. Just for piracy, then no good. As it is right now the potential of both is possible.

An old example, nuclear power. The ability to create and destroy, Based on what is right or wrong what do people choose to do with it?

# Fallen0ne 2011-01-12 11:35

This is just stupid. Under Europe's law, anyone who buys a console has the right to do anything with it they please, by means of "jailbreaking" and being able to play backups of games they already own. But now what about ps3 users in Europe? Do they have the legal right to jailbreak their ps3's while in US we get attacked by lawyers and representatives of Sony? Obviously Sony hasnt realized their loop hole of their argument. But of course Sony will win because the court system is undeniably flawed. So goodbye Homebrew. Sony, Piece of shit.

# He-man 2011-01-12 11:39

What do you guys expect? When you hack or mod these kinda things you have to be cautious of being caught. You hack a system that can lead to back-ups and you're screwed, that simple. I mean, Sony doesnt fuck around. Nintendo didnt do shit, and neither did Microsoft or Apple. I'd have to say Sony is one of the few company with balls.

Now dont get me wrong. I feel for the guys, and feel Sony should have probably just sued for a smaller sum of penalties. No cash. That would probably make respectable guys like F0F and GH to stop. But who knows. Whats done is done. And now I'm worried about the PS3's Homebrew.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 11:39

What the hell are you talking about?

Lawsuits like his happen all the time, and the corps never win.

Their tactic is to delay and scare by using their superior monetary power, but 99% of the time the court rules in the defendents favour.

People are right to publish their real identities with their work, it helps prove that they are not breaking the law. If you hide, it's just saying: 'LOOK AT ME! I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG!! FIND ME!'.

Learn some more about the world we live in, then start commenting.

# kikoolol 2011-01-12 11:41

cool story bro

ANYWAY HOW CAN I PLEY CALL OF RETARDS BLACK DERPS AND OTHERS PIRATED GAMES ON MY PS3????? WHERE IZ DA BACKUP MANAGER DERP DERP

# Dan 2011-01-12 11:43

You know what bugs me? Things are held back, things are changed, and its always US the customers who have to put up with it.
My example being games, certainly not Sony itself's fault, but take Tales Of Vesperia. An updated version was released in Japan with a fair amount of new content. Despite decent sales, they say theres no plans to release it on PS3 over here. WHY!? Why should we have to just accept things like this? The obvious other point being the OtherOS feature.
Companies need to accept that as long as they hold things back, dont push their machine to its potential, and generally dont treat the fans fairly, that people WILL do what it takes to get what they want.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 11:50

Breaking a companies T&C for a product doesn't have ANY effect on the LAW.

One is a document Sony has written, the other is a library of documents that has been built up over hundreds of years, being voted on and passed or rejected depending on a committies and/or public referendum.

If this case was about George complaining about being banned from PSN, that document would hold some sway... As this case is nothing to do with PSN, that document will be thrown out straight away. Courts hate being given that kind of crap, it's Sony saying 'We are the law', which they aren't, obviously. All it does it create delay.

Sony's hope is that by suing everyone and hitting them wth a TRO, they can slow down the scene enough for a year to work on new hardware, as theirs is currently totally compromised.

Low blow Sony... Go fuck yourselves.

People, use your consumer purchasing power and NEVER BUY SONY AGAIN (if you have to, for a PS3/PS4/PSP2 or whatever, use ebay or some other 2nd hand shop).

Cut Sony off from it's blood money. A little change can make a big difference.

# BeGamer 2011-01-12 11:51

You STILL have to accept the T&C! Before you install you need to click that little word "Accept". Try it!

# mad hatter 2011-01-12 11:58

you know u bitch about not being able to do what u want with the ps3 but they did give u the choice to update your system or keep os they gave u backups or psn and they havent banned anyone for it unlike microsoft massive bans they left the download from the browser loop open and they have some good exclusives i play the gba emulator on my system and it shows up online & i'm not banned so be glad that they're not. btw you are a small group of ps3 players if u stop buying it wont make a dent

# your daddy 2011-01-12 12:00

it says at the beginning PAGE 8 of the "complaint.pdf"

it says

"The "PS3 programmer tools" are also located within the PS3 system firmware"

so if we can crack open a firmware update than we can find the full ps3 SDK

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:03

They keys are hardcoded. It means that it's stored PERMANENTLY on tiny bits of silicon and iron compounds inside your PS3. Sony CANNOT create an update to change them. The only way of modifying it would be to send everyone a new PS3 with different chips in.

It cannot be changed remotely, or at all. This is why Sony is freaking out.

Without a lawsuit as a type of roadblock, it would/will be a matter of time until you can utilise the PS3 hardware to do whatever the hell you like.

Hell if people were dedicated enough (or got paid), and wrote drivers for all the hardware, you could run windows on it.

It also means that, even if Sony ban in a similar method to MS (hardware ban against your motherboard ID), an ID generator and motherboard flasher could be made in a relatively short amount of time to create and install a new, Sony recognised and accepted, ID. Thus allowing you to continue playing online. Rinse and repeat wheever you want and bans are pretty useless.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:08

Watch their websites (linked at the top of this page), and if they want donations, they'll ask there.

# ital weed 2011-01-12 12:16

this fucking sucks because it looks like everything as stop.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:17

# Bubbafett4hire 2011-01-12 12:18

Unfortunately by the finer eyes of the law with regards to exploitation, Geohot was in the wrong by publicly listing an internal security key of the PS3 system knowing full well that those keys could lead to piracy causing irreversible damage to the systems market.

No not agreeing with Sony but have to agree that he should have stayed in the shadows remaining anonymous like C4EVA with regards to the Xbox360.

...And I just love how because Sony files a motion to protect it's hardware everyone's shouting "screw Sony I am not buying another product" cause Microsoft's policies are so much better

# Jeff 2011-01-12 12:23

Ok, maybe I was misinformed. But wasnt the reason for Sony removing otherOS BECAUSE Geohot starting hacking through it?

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:25

Using Geohot and fail0verflow's tools, it is possible to patch eboots to allow running backup games under CFW 3.55. This is a much better method, doesn't require a BM and works on games that BM's never did. With the addition to having very VERY small changes and no filesize modifications, it's also incredibly difficult for Sony to detect.

This is a bit tech at the moment and requires knowledge of:
- The linux heirachy and kernel
- Compiling C programs with the necessary includes
- HEX editing binary files and .SFO files
- Manipulating directory links on the PS3
With that said, if you don't posses these skills, eboot.BIN repositaries are being setup (I think), and more automated processes will be released very soon.

THAT is what Sony is pissed about, and why this is happening now... However, they will fail, because providing the tools doesn't make you a criminal. If it did, the US gunsmiths would be getting sued everytime someone gets shot on the streets.

Mistake Sony has made is that by going after the known users (who are public about their identities), people will now start work underground under alias' that won't be as easy to locate. Logless VPN's and TOR will start to play a large roll in this scene, which is somewhat of a sad day, but also it's nice to know that hackers back each other up in times of crisis.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:29

It was removed because they recognised that their system wasn't as secure as they previously thought, and that it could indeed be hacked... As we now know, I'm assuming they also realised that if end users were to obtain these keys and create decryption/encryption software, they would be f00ked, and unable to resecure the system. Period.

Which is now the case.

# none 2011-01-12 12:29

i've put 'free geohot' as my playstation comment.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:41

First of all, M$ haven't sued 103 (relatively poor) people over getting their console hacked. Nor did they force a choice in consumers to choose between two main selling points of their console (gameOS and otherOS). So yes, M$ is a lot better.

Secondly, releasing the keys to the public is not illegal (as the courts will tell you in a few weeks [or years if Sony get their shitting way]). It is legal for you to post research findings under the DMCA.

As an example:

If you hire a locksmith to come round to a strangers house becase you have "locked yourself out". They drill & replace the lock on the door, therefore allow you to burgle that residence, the locksmith is not at fault. The person burgling the house is. The locksmith could, and probably would be summoned to court, but would always be acquitted (released without charge).

This is eactly the same situation. Providing someone with tools and/or knowledge to commit a crime, does not make you guilty of that crime yourself.

# Jose 2011-01-12 12:42

OMG! This means that we wouldn't have a Backup Managers and future jailbreaking method. right????

# ital weed 2011-01-12 12:46

those tools omly open then close same time on my computer so if u will please tell me how to make them work so i can get to do that.

# Bammmm 2011-01-12 12:49

big mistake SONY, BIG MISTAKE..... give up.. Hackers haz ownd ur console xD

# none 2011-01-12 12:50

please could someone post the latest tools to patch the eboot.bin files they've been removed from the fail0verflow site. :-(

# ital weed 2011-01-12 12:50

ok so where are those so call tools because as far as i see everyone as stop workin on homebrews.

# Xdude 2011-01-12 12:50

Sony guys i know you are reading through all these comments and posts,
2 words for u FU, MFs

# ital weed 2011-01-12 12:51

yes some please post them also how to used them,

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:54

Try googling something like ps3 tools, geohot tools, fail0verflow tools..?

Seriously, if you can't find these things, I have no idea how you expect to achieve anything with them.

# RayOvac 2011-01-12 12:56

I don't think Sony has anything here...I read the entire TRO and they are basing most of their suit on the fact that Geohot and the fail0verflow guys "illegally accessed" the PS3.

From the TRO:

"To prove a violation under 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(2)(C), SCEA must show that Defendants: (1) intentionally accessed a protected computer used for interstate commerce or communication; (2) without authorization or by exceeding authorized access to the protected computer; and (3) thereby obtained information from the protected computer. SCEA has established these elements.

First, the PS3 System consists of a “protected computer” because it is used ininterstate commerce (e.g., the Internet.)

Second, without SCEA’s authorization, Defendantsinten tionally accessed certain levels of the PS3 Systems by circumventing SCEA’s TPMs inthe PS3 Systems. Mogilefsky Decl. at ¶¶16-22. Defendants’ access to such levels in thePS3 Systems is not authorized; to the contrary, the PlayStation Network Terms of Serviceand User Agreement (“PSN User Agreement”) prohibits the circumvention of security features in the PS3 system.

Finally, as a result of their unauthorized access, Defendants succeeded in discovering – then obtaining – SCEA’sproprieta ry information, including SCEA’s Keys that digitally sign code to run on certain secure levels of the PS3 System."

So basically Sony is trying to say that the PS3 is a protected computer simply because of the fact that it "CAN" be connected to the internet. They are trying to treat this the same as if they hacked into a server at Sony HQ. Additionally they are trying to say that they violated the PSN "user agreement" by circumventing PS3 security features. Oh really? What if they never used the PSN. I dunno about you but I'm sure my PS3 did not come with a "user agreement" saying that in order to own it I have to "refrain from circumventing security features.

I'm sorry, I don't think they have a case, except maybe on the grounds of the release of the key, but even that is iffy.

PS3 = not a protected computer...because I OWN IT, I can do whatever I want with it. Sony has nothing!

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 12:57

The majority can be found in the downloads section.

http://www.ps3-hacks.com/categ...

On this site... But I don't think you'll be using them. They require compiling, and unless you are a C/C++ developer, I doubt you'll be able to do it, as tutorials on the net will assume a lot of knowledge.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 13:04

Ironically, all this was done from 3.15 through otherOS.

So no security was compromised. Linux allowed the running of "Sony unsigned code", which was used to do all of this.

I'm going to be a happy man when this is all over the news, and awareness of this failure of security is exposed to a billion people.

Pleased I'm not a Sony shareholder at the moment, for numerous reasons... Primarily because no one here wants to be associated with those leeches.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 13:06

Look up about 5 comments.

If you have to ask how to use them, you won't be able to.

No one is going to teach you everything you need to know about Linux kernels and C programming... Goto university for a few years, then have another crack at it.

# ital weed 2011-01-12 13:07

lol i got them but when i open them they close at the sametime so if u will tell me how to used them.

# none 2011-01-12 13:09

So how do you patch your own EBOOT? Well Riku.kh3 has posted a small guide below, it by no means is newb friendly and requires you to know what you are doing, to quote:

1) Download and compile latest tools from git.fail0verflow.com Git (old versions of unself produce incorrect ELF) Download has been removed
2) Extract ELF from SELF
3) Hexedit ELF, find and replace dev_bdvd to correct path on dev_hdd0 (not all, but most games require this step)
4) Build NPDRM SELF using Geohot’s tools
5) Build package using psn_package_npdrm
6) Patch your builded package using Geohot’s tool (only for 3.55 firmware) http://rapidshare.com/files/44...

That’s it. If you can’t follow this guide, more detailed guide won’t help you.

# ital weed 2011-01-12 13:09

sorry dont need university i have done things like these b4 its not my first run but these things wont start.

# Jonny 4$$ 2011-01-12 13:13

They need to be run under terminal, through a linux based machine. With the correct syntax (which can be found by simply typing the command with no arguments).

# Anonyumaaas 2011-01-12 13:33

@RayOvac

and you're getting this from your many years of legal experience, right? if shit like this was as easy as what's written on a piece of paper we wouldn't need lawyers.

# Chewy 2011-01-12 13:40

You sir are wrong...
All anyone would have to do in that case is figure out the file system, and bam, you're back to how it normally is with hacking...

See: Wii. The Wii has it's own file system, and yet, it's still hacked...

# Cr4zykill3r 2011-01-12 13:43

Yes but there is a flaw in ur argument. U see geohotz is in trouble because he released the key KNOWING it was going to be used to eneble piracy.

In the locksmith example, the locksmith was aware that you were going to burglar the house and yet he carried out the procedure, which means the locksmith would get in trouble aswell, because he played a part in the crime.
Geohot knew that the key was going to be used to enable piracy and yet acknowledging this fact he still carried on with his work, so he played a part in the "crime".

Sony have a very big advantage in this case and it is going to extremely difficult for Geohot to slip out of this one. If u read the legal documents, they outline Sony's terms and conditions which have to be accepted with the purchase of every ps3 system. They have a copyright of everything wich runs on it and also the hardware itself.
So u see when geohot modified the firmware with the keys he acquired,(and shared them on the internet, to allow for piracy) he violated the computer frad and abuse act. Also circumnavigatin g the TMP(technoligic al protections measurements) violated sonys T&C's.
+ posting the method to circumnavigate the TMP's also violated another law

SO to sum it up Geohot is in BIG SHIT...

# HuggyNuggy 2011-01-12 13:47

im pretty sure that it is better that you stay far away from those tools if you cannot even understand why the programs closes immediately after clicking on them...

hint: your problem is in the clicking

# NeCrom-X 2011-01-12 14:04

Not because it can be connected to the internet because it connects to Sony's private network PSN!!! Where financial information is stored and transactions take place.

And yes when you first turn on a new ps3 and every time you've updated the firmware you have had to accept a user agreement that does say reverse engineering and any sort of modification to their code is in violation of using the PS3 on PSN or offline.

# bob123123 2011-01-12 14:05

fail0verflow, geohot. Yall haz my support, wheres the court case i wanna be there with my huge sign saying "I bought it, I own it, ITS MINE."

# sony company 2011-01-12 14:16

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Geohot has sued the company because it has published the latest findings from the information about the way Thecer device via a site in the PDF file site name. Fsharkp Sony has condemned because of this file. The company has to bring the case in the United States of America in California in the northern sector of George Hots is GeoHot and all of Hector Martin and Cantero and Sven Peter are members of the team (fail0verflow) but true that how they were convicted, and has also been raising the issue on the 100 people who had not announce their names.

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# geonot 2011-01-12 14:24

yeah...sony has a solid case outlined...US-residing geohot is probably boned...and if he loses, he'll owe your "donations" in addition, even if they are spent....can't make any monetary gain from ruled criminal acts, generally speaking.

# BLKGHOST 2011-01-12 14:29

The only "bad" thing he did was to release a custom firmware which contains SONY's code. As for the key, even if we all know someone will try to use it for piracy, how do you prove that he released that info with that in mind?

# geonot 2011-01-12 14:33

I don't know why people compare this to an apple situation, apple is the most lame company on the planet. They probably have the most lame lawyers too. I mean, come on,...is it really even an OS? Sony would mop the floor with most folks in court. Also, a layman can understand the rationality behind "hacking" a provider-locked phone w/ dload-only distribution...hacking an entertainment system is more akin to setting up stolen cableTV than unlocking a phone.

# rapid 2011-01-12 14:36

hopefully they get all this sorted, I'm sure if geohot has got out of any trouble with all the iPhone stuff he done then this will be easy aswell

# BIlly 2011-01-12 14:52

You are wrong Chewy,

Providing someone with tools and information does make you liable for the same crime. This is called a conspiracy and when 2 or more people conspire to commit a crime they are all charged with the identical crime even if they are not the one that actually committed the act.

Now this doesn't mean I don't support geohot and failoverflow, I wish them the best in their fight against Sony!

# gzino 2011-01-12 15:03

everything is so stupid,i don't understand why this people do what they do in public and with their real names,Sony was planing something like this,if you want to do something like haking a trillion dollar company,you must have to be smarter than this,if you want the credit,well,cou rt is the best place to start,but keep this in mind,money is the reason they do what they do,and they have plenty of,they pay good money to lawyers,i like to know what geohot know he is real smart on hacking everything but wakeup!! you cannot fight the money cause you will loose,nothing like this ever happen if this brilliant people do everything in secret like a real hacker.

# cirus 2011-01-12 15:17

ok this seems interesting so can u please tell me how to run it on terminal under linux base i have a win7 computer so how u do it.

# MikeRoSoft 2011-01-12 15:29

what ever happens happens, let's just donate some money to bail the poor basterds out so they can continue to piss sony off just like sony pissed us off

# Hepan 2011-01-12 15:41

Shit on Sony....

# What_Freedom? 2011-01-12 15:41

Well Id like to comment by saying basically Fuck sony... eh hem! I mean really what are they going to do to these people. I assume they are not multi millionares and I doubt they are going to get the chair. This is ONLY a method of intimidation... like gee most of the members of our shitty American Government who steal from you everday... sometimes right in front of your face. This is just a pure example of how we are losing (do people still know how to spell losing... so many times its posted loosing LOL and words like their/they're/there and to/too get butchered) ...our freedom everyday by imposing fees, taxes and so on. Our right to vote, though still sacred, is a joke... we have 2 choices asshole 1 or douchebag 2. So I say go getum Geo and Team Fail because id say most people are on your side, the little guy. I cant take my bottle opener on a plane or in the courthouse because it could be used as a weapon they tell me... o yeah well how about i stab you in your eye with my fucking pencil or bludgen you with my ten pound laptop... i mean really??? I have seen so much taken away from us and im only 35... i can only imagine where we will be in 35 more years. Good luck to you guys and Im sure if you needed a legitamite legal funds/help, the world would be there to answer the call. Gods Speed!! and thank you for your efforts!

# Dan 2011-01-12 16:07

I love you. I love that comment. You've restored my faith in humanity once more.
I cant believe that people can barely spell simple words yet they try to give their opinion on a legal debate. *Sigh

# cirus 2011-01-12 16:10

so if we used ubuntu we can used the tools?

# swede 2011-01-12 17:01

Well... lucky i'm not from the USA... here in Sweden (and most of Europe i think) EULA's are not valid contracts since you have to agree to them after the purchase......

But i'm hoping that this will teach Sony a lesson... Learn to behave towards their customers or bad things will happen...

# DarkMobius 2011-01-12 17:44

LOl good comment in your PSN

# SplitMethod 2011-01-12 17:47

This is insane on how, they can put a program to keep us from using the "otheros" feature. but its not cool for GeoHot to reinstall it? I thought when GeoHot was doing what he was doing it was opening up the door to allow us to use that feature with out the intentions of piracy on PS3 games. But Sony says "Thats what you thought". When I bought my PS3 I was anticipating on keeping my old video game collection intact by having my PS3 emulate them, rather than connect 12 systems up or having to change them all the time, using up the electric bill, and a full basement. When I returned my PS3 back to the store they did not check the system to see if it had been jailbroken, they looked to see if it was damaged in any way. But the receipt does not tell me its voided after jailbreaking any way. Yes the games for PS3 are expensive but Sony has to pay for all its heavy games, that weigh up too 51 gigs. Its fair to limit certain things such as the ability to pirate what is costly and vested into. Will Sony get sued by Nintendo and Sega and other emulated platforms? I have not heard a thing from Microsoft having those issues. Maybe if the PS3 emulated the Wii or Xbox then, Sony will have a problem. How about the PC having all these abilities, is it not what the PS3 Commercial's insist. "It Only Does Everything" Sony might fear that the PS3 actually does everything. Sony has a Move remote similar to the Wiimote, Oh wait how about, The dam PSEye, with Kung Fu Live, it is just like the Kinect. Seems things are only limited to what? trying to add something to Sony's Playstation, or adding the ability for us to pay for it in Sony's own way. Sony has heart to try to become the Apple of video games, but it will soon learn that it will cost to much to keep up with the endless amount of hackers, and have to pay for GeoHot and Fail0verFlows court case. I have yet to see a company state an upgrade by removing the original contents. PS3 was paid and bought for the purpose it was originally created for and not for the control of the populous. Maybe thats why 8 out of every 10 people I meet own an Xbox rather than a PS3, regardless of paying for the online feature.

Oh and I add both the Move and PSEye are failing to entertain, maybe it should focus on that; rather than trying to lose like Sega did by over investing.

# ctjk1982 2011-01-12 18:00

sony is going to lose in court because a lot of the firmware updates are not a choice to install or not you have to install the firmware in order to run the psn. so sony will lose because i people had a choice or not to install new firmware updates than sony has a chance. because in order to install new firmware update i have to agree with eula.

# Anon Cow 2011-01-12 18:00

What you have described would be the breach of contract charge, however for that to hold water you have to treat the user agreement as a contract. So Sony will have to prove that the people accused of violating the agreement knowingly and intentionally entered into a binding contract with Sony. Sony will have a very difficult time proving that the specific people accused actually did agree (as opposed to their roommate agreeing or bypassing the agreement somehow). Beyond that, Sony must prove that the user agreement represents a binding contract, which is far from a trivial task as it's user agreement and most EULA's have long been suspected of not being truly binding and have not been challenged in court.

The DMCA Anti-Circumvention charge appears to be the most likely to stick, but then again the last case brought on those charges made headlines when the judge ranted against the prosecution's shortcomings. Of course that was a criminal case and this is a civil suit so not quite the same thing so we'll just have to wait and see.

# Al Sharpton 2011-01-12 18:00

I like the fact Sony gets mad about this. Yeah they might loose money and yeah it's the psp all over again. These guys did what Sony failed to do. I mean really, Sony is paying millions of dollars or yen ( or whatever) to their people for what? A half ass job from a system that breaks down in the first years of purchase made with cheap materials. If anything failOverflow and geohot has unlocked the ps3's true potential the same way dark alex did with the psp. Sony really failed hard this time. How did Sony get owned with their own product? These guys succeeded where Sony failed. Now, Sony pays the price with their cocky attitude and utter disregard for quality. Funny thing is this is just the beginning lol.

# SONY (insider) 2011-01-12 18:04

This will be the turning point when sony turn things around. It was failoverflows presentation that has led sony into this legal action, they had no choice after being humiliated with all the 'fail' on ps3's security. But now its sony turn to get even and they will make Geohot and failoverflow life a missery with all the court apearances. If they had both quitely released the hacks without utube videos or better still do it anonymousy sony wouldent have made a big deal out of it. They both wanted attention and notoriety which they will recieve from sony in the courts lol. If you play with fire be prepared to get burned. Piracy is a crime and the perpetrators WILL be held accountable for their actions.

# A random guy 2011-01-12 19:05

Everyone copy n paste this everywhere on the internet. This will really piss SONY off. What are they going to do? Sue everyone on the internet?
erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
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# lxbanos 2011-01-12 19:26

no he's not getting this from years of legal experience, and you are right most cases aren't this easy, but sony has no case here because just like how the iphone was jailbroken to run unsigned the ps3 has now been, it's his ps3 and he never released anything "illegal." sony is making a weak case in an attempt to scare hackers away from developing...i just hope it doesn't work

# Tim 2011-01-12 20:24

It's permitted to release the keys - it only creates the possibility to CREATE hacking tools - Geohot didn't.

Keys are numbers, since when is a array of numbers your property when using it in your security?

Geohot released a company/trade secret actually, that IS wrong. Should've kept your stealth Geo ;P

# Saw 2011-01-12 21:10

Hello Sony! i wanna play a game

# p4p1rr1n 2011-01-12 21:13

About the locksmith comparisson, Geohotz here is not just giving you the tools to open the door, he is more like opening the door, leaving it open, and walking away so its an opennig for thieves to come heh.

# p4p1rr1n 2011-01-12 21:28

Lol... From Mexico, i feel you man, maybe this is a worldwide issue; politicians SUCK!!!!
(sorry for my bad english)

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Credits: Whoever is in #ps3dev@efnet and helped us ! Fail0verflow for the private halves calculation trick. an unnamed team for breaking into some secure isolated loaders. Geohot for the metldr keys. Mathieulh/ps3wiki.lan.st for the self cryptography algorithm.#ps3devinf1

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# your daddy 2011-01-12 22:59

@jonny 4$$> "This is eactly the same situation. Providing someone with tools and/or knowledge to commit a crime, does not make you guilty of that crime yourself."

providing tools to commit a crime is called "Accessory to the crime" it is illegal

# Yo Mama 2011-01-12 23:39

Well crap. Since you pointed that out I guess we have to go through every murder case EVER involving a shooting and prosecute the dealer/store who sold them the weapon.

Hope you're not a lawyer. Idiot.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 00:21

Try running Ubuntu under a VM, Live CD dosen't Allow R/W to hard disk. (Unless you mount it.)

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 00:33

Xdude, let it go. They already got what they deserve and the worst (For Them) hasn't even come. Don't be a hater and keep on hacking! =)

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 00:39

No Sony code was EVER used. That's why we always patch our firmwares OURSELVES from the original PUP/Eboot.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 00:41

I wonder if SCEE will also start serving peeps in Euroupe... But if they do, it would be an even bigger PR disaster.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 00:45

Coz the internet would know what to do with it? Do you know what to do with it? :-P

Soz, just playing with you! :)

Let the massive

"erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70"

Copypasta Spamstorm begin!

# cyrax 2011-01-13 00:50

and you are gone win the oscar in talking shit...
nobody of these people did piracy on sony you fool

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 01:32

If I can't hack a console (Myself without tools), does that leave me brainless? Just a though.

# TheManisTalking 2011-01-13 01:43

No, It will work fine.

# Jimminy Jillika's 2011-01-13 02:35

"That’s it. If you can’t follow this guide, more detailed guide won’t help you."

Says it all...

Seriously, this is a really messy hack, avoid!

# Jimminy Jillika's 2011-01-13 02:59

Okay... not to be a doubter, but:

"Not because it can be connected to the internet because it connects to Sony’s private network PSN!!! Where financial information is stored and transactions take place."

Right... I assume you're one of those people that think Die Hard 4 is likely to happen? Jeez, "financial information is stored". I assume you have no idea how cyphers and secure transactions take place, 128-bit encryption is standard for online monetary transactions. Rest assured, it's quite safe (cit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A....

"yes when you first turn on a new ps3 and every time you’ve updated the firmware you have had to accept a user agreement"

Have you ever bough a PS3? Yourself? New..?

Restore to factory settings from your XMB, restart, and let it load up, and tell me where it wants you to agree to anything..?
If its never been updated, the end user has never agreed to anything... Even if they had, these are Sony T&C, and this is a legal battle. T&C mean Sony can withdraw services from a user in breach of them, nothing more. It's not gospel, and it sure as hell isn't law.

# Jimminy Jillika's 2011-01-13 03:15

Where does it say that the locksmith knew he didn't live there?

"they outline Sony’s terms and conditions which have to be accepted with the purchase of every ps3 system."

Why do people keep thinking this is the case? THIS IS A _P_S_N_ AGREEMENT. If you ~never~ connect the PS3 to the ~internet~, how the hell would Sony be aware even of its existence? It's not legal, or morally correct to sell someone a product, with the anticipation of acceptence of terms, unknown to the customer.

I can't:

Sell you a TV, and then when you get home and turn it on for the first time, greet you with a screen that states; "This screen must be attached to a south facing wall. Non compliance will result in prosecution."

Sony can't make up laws as it goes along, and it's going to find that out soon enough.

THESE ARE T&C, NOT LAW!! DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO PLEASE!

# MT. dew 2011-01-13 04:07

sure does. also says it with all games you buy as well.

# MT. dew 2011-01-13 04:15

one helluva PR scam by sony. hey release the keys GEO it's ok, the more people that see that online the more ps3's will be bought.

# zwArt 2011-01-13 06:47

I can't believe ppl say M$ policy is better and never buy sony again. M$ sells defect hardware even knowing about it and then rips consumers of money by asking insane amounts of money!!! Drives that scratch discs and heating issues! I got 5 Xbox360 and 1 ps3 my ps3 hardware never fails tbh and if u open ur xbox u see a cheapshit piece of hardware. Sony just scared so they are trying to save what they can save understandeble but wel geohot and failoverflow got a point in doing what there doing. I think the lawsuit will be a fail.

# Xb0xGuru 2011-01-13 07:38

You can even expand the list to common household objects and DIY tools. Responsibility is (and always will be) with the person using the item, not the supplier.

# AceCaanoo 2011-01-13 09:53

THROW THE BOOK AT THEM ALL!

# cyrax 2011-01-13 11:33

i have just read an interesting article that sony is able to disable YOUR PS3 totally. that means you can not run any games whether psn or offline. here is the source:http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...

# cyrax 2011-01-13 11:38

ORIGINAL TEXT: The amount of access Sony has to your machine is greater than you probably suspect: the company even has the means to irrevocably disable your console should it so wish, and if that happens, it will remain non-functional whether you’re online or offline.

Source: Eurogamer.net

# SpawnOfJago 2011-01-13 12:31

Sony is wrong. After analyzing the said affidavit, SCEA has no brains. *First they go the cheap route with their security measures. *Secondly, they COMPLETELY goof up by not using random numbers in a random number security system,smh. Third, they file court papers without actually doing their homework,i.e. Hotz is not bound by SCEA terms of service as he has never had a PSN account(so epic). Next, instead of filing separate suites they go the cheap route again and file 1 suite with multiple defendants which are not even affiliates therefore everyones crimes are different but you accuse them of all the same thing, won't work. They then proceeded to donate a dollar into Mr. Hotz paypal account to say he extorts money for his "counterfeiting services" not realizing they shot themselves in the foot by "enticing criminal activity". And lastly, (even though I can go on), They contradict themselves by saying and I qoute from the Declaration in Support pg.5 "Once these devices are in the hands of consumers, the loss of control over SCEA's copyrighted material is permanent and irreparable." Now you say your loss is permanent and irreparable but state in other provinces that you can fix this with UPDATES yet file a suite saying this is permanent and irreparable. This is perjury and can cost SCEA the case with just this defense alone. I hate to admit it but SCEA is a very sloppy company. Even in the quality of games. Look at all the noticeable lines on the screen when playing a ps3 game that is also on 360. I hate MS as they are a company that tries to over charge for everything but they are a quality staff,ok enough about those lozers. My point, Sony is sloppy and so is their thinking. SCEA they only fail "Everything"! EIPoDT!

# kadabriel 2011-01-13 12:44

last time i checked it was legal to purchase tools for smoking cannabis as log as we do not use them for illegal purposes if i want i can go in to a store and buy such tools and use them to decorate my home.
geohot has just provided us with a key that can be used for piracy..
im sure it can be useful in other ways to

-kadabriel

# Trey 2011-01-13 12:58

oh no not another sony scare tactic don't you realize how illegal it would be for them to do that we bought the console and then they make it so we can't use it their excuse "we think you hacked" lol

# NeCrom-X 2011-01-13 13:54

Yes I own a PS3 had one since Launch. I'm not saying they can get that information I'm saying their network is private and you agree to connect to it or make transactions on it. I worded it badly but whatever. You really never read the user agreement???? It's been updated many times if you choose to receive information from sony by email they send you a email every time the user agreement is updated. The next firmware update will reflect those changes before you install. The first time you turn it on it does. Factory Defaulting I've never done so maybe they don't show it since you already agreed to have access to the system to be able to default it.....

# NeCrom-X 2011-01-13 13:57

Also it's printed on a piece of paper in the box that comes with the documentation that has a user agreement also I'm pretty sure....

# NeCrom-X 2011-01-13 14:04

A user agreement can have ridiculous stuff like that in it but they never will. Ever see the tag on a mattress do not remove punishable by law!!! What they have is standard with most companies covering their own asses and protecting their copyrights. You can modify it to do whatever you want as long as your not using it to break copyrights or violating the user agreement. What they did broke copyright law.

# Jish 2011-01-13 14:24

Sony has the EXACT SAME problem the Xbox 360 does as far as overheating CPU/GPU and weak solder joints. I REPEAT, THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM. The big difference is that the PS3 seemed to last a little longer than the launch 360's. Having said that, all of the phat Ps3's I or my friends have had have either died with YLOD or shitty lasers (the slims seem to be better). Any repair center will tell you the same^

AT LEAST with the 360 they will repair/replace the console with a 3 year warranty as opposed to Sony's 1 year warranty. I've never scratched any of my 360 discs because I'm not retarded, you have to be stupid to move your console while a disc is spinning.

# mun 2011-01-13 15:24

Calling people idiot makes you sound like your 10 years old. If you want to sound smart you should leave the name calling out next time. "ball bag!"

# Nick Griffin 2011-01-13 19:29

if dats true den y dosent track me when i play pirated copied movies?? on my ps3

# evil 2011-01-14 03:57

none of them never hacked sony it was a insider that leaked the jig i dont see why u guys take these guys seriously the only way the ps3 was hacked was from a insider but if that didn't happend u guys would never play ur downloads and stop lyin u want to backup games blurays never get scratch dumbasses i hope they get sued and geocock gets rapped in jail

# omsiN 2011-01-21 13:53

First off; George Hotz and his band of merry arseholes should be sued up the rectum then put infront of a firing squad of everyone who feels as though their online gaming has been ruined. Personally, frozen paintballs is rewarding but probably still deemed unhumain by the law.

Final note. Everybody that downloaded or has use(d) the 'hacks'... I hope Sony shuts down your IP and you lose all online privileges. Pretty selfish to ruin others fun. Games like MW2 are impossible to play and enjoy because of everyones decision to 'cheat'.
If the cheating was done on offline play, thats different. You ruin the experience for yourself. But online?! Idiots and degenerates.

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# Liamharper1997 2011-04-22 07:34

Omsin i agree, i mean when i go on mw2 i have to back out of most games as they are all fucking cl's and im 10th legit with the challenges done leegit and ur just worried someone.. anyone. is going to derank you now ''Geohot'' has fucking hacked it i cant get online to play hmmm... ehat a prick

# MEANSKULL 2011-04-24 08:56

GEOHOT IS A FUCKING DICK HEAD BECAUSE HE HACKED PS3!!!!! AND KNOW I WANT TO PLAAY SOOO FUCKKING BAAAAADLY!!!!! I WANT TO KILL HIM!!!!!!!! FUCKING ASSHOLE, BITCH, FAG, DICK HEAD, MOTHER FUCKER!!!! OOH AND KIS OMIK YALLA GAWAD YAL 5ARA IL3AN ABOOK YAL GA7BA IL3AN ABO 3AYLATIK!!!!!!!

# Justin Clark 2011-05-13 12:58

you are all fucking idiots the ps3 lasts extremely longer than sbox i have the ceche01 80 gig ps3s that relaesed in 2006 and it still works fine and ive went through 4 exbox 360s in the last 5 y years and sony is trying to do everything they can to keep their business in good order you cant blame them for that. and any hackers on here your all fucking dumb fags that ruin shit for other people, SO FUCK YOU!

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