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If you follow the industry at all, chances are you have probably already heard the news about this beast of a patent, but if you haven't let me go over the details. In general, beyond just requiring the use of an online pass, this new document numbered 20130007892 calls for an “Electronic Content Processing System” and “Use Apparatus” to deny the use of second hand titles. The way it works is that each game is essentially given a specific ID. This ID is then processed both within the disk drive and the optical drive carrying the disc. From there it will make several checks to see if the game you are running has an ID that has been stored on any other hard drive. It looks as if possibly once the game is first inserted the ID makes a one and only travel over to the hard drive. Once that has been done, nobody else can use it.
So what does that mean for all of us? For the mainstream it looks as though Sony in particular is taking some pretty drastic and intricate steps to stop the use of used games. After all, publishers tend to hate the idea because once a game is turned back to a retailer, they see absolutely no profit from the sale. In a way to them it is the same as paying someone else to legally pirate their content, so there's no question they would want it to stop. In response to this news, Gamestop stocks fell sharply as it is assumed profits will fall to those that thrive off this sort of business. The real question is, how do you feel about all of this, and will other console makers follow suit with devices of their own?
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you see that with Console games comming closer to reality if they get more of the profits.
That being said most smartphone games are super casual, didnt take much time to develop and are way cheaper to develop. you dont need 50 artists to do artwork for a low resolution tiny screen ;)
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For the most part alot of people buy their games.. yeah there are plenty who buy used copys.. but when it really comes to it they will either not buy it .. or they will buy less games.
however aslong as Ps3 is supported they would probably hold out till Ps4 is cheap the difference in platforms will probably be fairly small this time around
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The problem with handhelds these days as its considered a more casual type of gaming and people dont want to spend big bucks on that when a smartphone game can vary in price from being free to like $5. its not something you sit down for hours at a time to do.. most people will use a TV+Console,PC or to a lesser extent a Pad for that kind of thing..
As for the Wii-U i havent looked too much into its hacking (even tho i own one myself) but from what i last heard its only the Wii section that has been hacked and not the -U part ;) huge difference there.. much like the Vita and its PSP mode hack there isnt alot they can do.. yet...
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i also prefer digital over physical. *why?* convenient, less hoarding of dvds.. (like we have enough already)
if the ps4 cannot play ps3 games THAT might change my mind.. im not touching xbox 720 at all. microshaft fouled there business LONG before sony did.
out of the voices from work/friends not a single person is getting the new xbox. Most already have the wii-u, and they're all waiting for ps4. Me also.
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I won't touch that sh*t never, it's easier and more reliable to use physical content anywhere I want, wherever I want, in any device I want...
And, of course, I will never in my lifetime buy anything, that needs internet connection to activate or to spy me or to limit the use of all of my children in my computer/PS3. Never! No-one really needs that kind of sh*t!
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Apart from rented things, what other company sells something, and then gets paid again for that same thing? nobody cause it makes no sense!
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EB games in Australia will generally pay you around $5 a game and resell it for $30-40
Now someone buys that second hand copy EB make a huge profit.. Developer makes nothing as now that person wont buy a fresh copy... that person is finished with it and sells it back to EB.. see the problem here ??.. Developer can miss out on many many sales and the only person making a profit is the reseller, who gets a cut from the first sale and then all of every other sale afterwards..
Only resellers and budget gamers like second hand games.. Developers would love a cut from that, Online pass has helped a little in this direction but i still think its not enough.
If Dev's got more fresh sales you'd see either a few things happening.. Better quality games or Cheaper games... every one wins there.. if neither happen well people stop buying that Dev's games its pretty simple to vote with yer cash.
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Sony is getting damn greedy.
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They are hardly never the ones that benefit above and beyond a pay check.
And they dont call shots... DEV'S are NOT the ones that will get ANYTHING MORE IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.....THE COMPANY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL BENEFIT.
Life lesson #1
[Company's / Bosses] DONT CARE about "the worker" only money,The end.
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http://www.dashhacks.com/ps3/ps3-news/head-to-head-classic-vs-modern-games-which-era-is-better.html
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If they did a system with an account then you can go to your friends sign in and play.
But the main point here is internet.
No internet, no game because these games have to check a database of games somewhere. This database of games will likely be downloaded to your system with an internet connection because how can you predict game IDs 1,2,3, etc. years down the line?
None-the-less my belief is that the hacking seen will stay alive and will probably grow because of the angry people who can't play used games.
Just remember, no internet = no tracking = can hack and play.
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and i see absolutely no reason why it cant happen the same with Console gaming. hell if they want to add a special code to a disk thats going to end up costing them big time (new tech n what not).. easier solution will be Serials/Online registration bound to a playstation account.
now the reason needing to be bound to a PS account is simple.. hardware dies.. you swap the hardware and log into your account with another Ps4 or whatever you get all yer games back.
Enjoy your bitching about having to buy the games brand new, but being a developer myself i understand where they are coming from. If this sort of technology does come out you'l find Demo's will become alot more popular and games themselves should actually be better too, instead of being forced to push out crap constantly they will need to provide actual decent quality content to get the sales.. and more direct sales = more money to the dev's = better quality work.. if they continue to push out shit well.. noone will buy it right.
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I purchased a brand new sofa from Ikea and a few years later sold it to a friend, but since that sofa has a unique serial number attached to it, his front door won't allow the furniture to enter the building so he would be forced to purchase a brand new sofa, resulting in even more items ending up in the landfill.
Wow, that sounds like such a great plan!! 0.o
Please by all means, someone flame me and tell me this is a bad comparison... It will give me hours of entertainment!
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I really hope that people come to theirs senses an not buy this crap. It's bad enough that Sony reduced the number of PS3 activations for PSN content. There are people who do have more than 2 PS3s and want to use their paid content on all of them.
If the developers were so worried about second hand sales then they should make better games to begin with and sell them cheaper. If new games were cheaper to begin with, more people would be able to buy them and the developers would make more money. I've been screwed a few times with crappy games.
What about people who don't have broadband internet? How are they supposed to authenticate the game disc? I've only had the pleasure of broadband for a little over 4 years now. Before that I was on dial-up. There are areas even in the US where you simply can't get broadband yet.
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When you start the game for the first time it would ask for the serial number and add it to your PSN account at the same time it would also verify the code hasnt been used by anyone else and creates a signed file on the play station that would allow it to boot the game even in offline mode.
This has the benefit for Sony in making sure your console is up to date with the current firmware and that you are not running pirated software.
Now your saying doesnt help Rental shops.. well it could work very well with rentals.. there could be a rental code with the game which would allow you to run it for a limited time/or number of uses per PSN account (much like a demo) that same code could be used at mates places for loans of games.
So yer gonna complain not everyone has internet.. well all i can say is too bad.. if you cant at some point get your console connected to the internet atleast once during game setup for the first time then you probably shouldnt have it to begin with.
Look everyone that can run a current console has access to the internet at some point or another.. hell you dont need to send much information to verify a serial dial up will do.. most people have mobile phones that have better then dial up internet so that excuse just doesnt cut it with me.
The way i see it working you only need internet to first setup the software and thats it.. most games these day have a 0day patch you need to install before you can play anyway.
And yeah your right Devs wont be missing out if people that would never buy a fresh game dont buy it afterwards.. and really for the most part they dont care.. however the people that stop being cheap and eventually buy the games fresh Devs will gain that extra cash. With that extra cash you will see better games or those devs will not get the sales.. you will see cheaper games as more money is going to the Devs if not again you can always vote with your cash. dont buy games till they are the right price its time people actually learn how the market works.
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just specifically answering this bit my other post contains the rest
This goes hand in hand with the life cycle of the console itself. PSN or whatever system they use for this would have to be provided for the life of the console itself (which is generally up to 12 years). That being said it is also easy enough for each program within its own registration system to be handled separately outside of PSN, ALL online PC games work this way already and its been quite successful for many years. should the PSN system fail it could fall back to each publishers security quite easily.
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Sony Does This i Will Not Buy a PS4.
i have been a good Loyal Fan of Sony this is just ridicule on the Loyal Gamers.
Just The Idea Makes Me Angry at Sony.
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If Sony tries to make it all download only, with no physical disk media like the PSP GO, very few will buy it, we saw how well that idea went. If they do implement controls on the physical media, then it WILL MAKE GAMES MORE EXPENSIVE! It becomes a simple matter of supply vs demand. retail stores WILL charge more for the product, as the demand (playable copies) will be very limited,decreas ing with each sale until the game is not available at all.
The reason PC software is not resold by most places is that you can completely install the game to the PC's HDD and not need the disk,or burn a copy of the disk, (it's been that way for years)then you could resell the disk. That is the main reason for registering the game's serial number these days. With a console system, you DO need the disk to play, no disk then no game.
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Most PC games these days require an online account that itself stops the resell. and copy protection is needed more on the PC because its completely open (for now.. microsoft are trying to close it up starting with Win8)
Alot of PC games still require the disk btw ;) look at technology's like securom granted its mostly only single player games.. ALL online games have a serial+account.
Installing software on the hard drive really has nothing to do with it.. how many places do you know of that rent PC games.. i knew of 1 and it stopped doing that years ago, it was a local PC shop nothing brand named.. only brand name place i can think of that ever rented PC games was Video easy and that would have been nearly 20 years ago.
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And how exactly are we assured that devs will make better games if publishers make more money? How do we know they don't just keep more money for themselves and continue on, business as usual? Better games? Is that even quantifiable? Better is just a matter of opinion. Spending more money for something is not.
To be constructive and not just hate, a better idea (if they insist on going through with this) would be impose a 1 year lockout on games from the launch date, limiting them to 1 PSN account and 3 consoles, rather than for all eternity. After that, it's fair game for resale. Those who want to save money will wait. Those that want to be a part of the hot new game club will buy a new copy.
Discouraging people from buying second hand is one thing. Preventing it is wrong.
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They arent stupid enough not to realise that the MOST they can do is to tie the games into your psn account just like a STEAM account so you 'own' those games forever. If they did it the way the article is suggesting then they will have no business due to people worrying about their $100';s of games being completely gone when their console or HDD eventually DIES.
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