Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patent


Submitted by Christopher Groux; January 09, 2013


If you follow the industry at all, chances are you have probably already heard the news about this beast of a patent, but if you haven't let me go over the details. In general, beyond just requiring the use of an online pass, this new document numbered 20130007892 calls for an “Electronic Content Processing System” and “Use Apparatus” to deny the use of second hand titles. The way it works is that each game is essentially given a specific ID. This ID is then processed both within the disk drive and the optical drive carrying the disc. From there it will make several checks to see if the game you are running has an ID that has been stored on any other hard drive. It looks as if possibly once the game is first inserted the ID makes a one and only travel over to the hard drive. Once that has been done, nobody else can use it.

 

So what does that mean for all of us? For the mainstream it looks as though Sony in particular is taking some pretty drastic and intricate steps to stop the use of used games. After all, publishers tend to hate the idea because once a game is turned back to a retailer, they see absolutely no profit from the sale. In a way to them it is the same as paying someone else to legally pirate their content, so there's no question they would want it to stop. In response to this news, Gamestop stocks fell sharply as it is assumed profits will fall to those that thrive off this sort of business. The real question is, how do you feel about all of this, and will other console makers follow suit with devices of their own?

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Tags: gamestop, Patent, Sony, used games




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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentAcid_Snake 2013-01-09 14:11
they do this and they die, literally, sony has already lost many users because of their wrong movements, this one would just be the last nail in their coffin

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+1 # RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentChristopher Groux 2013-01-09 14:13
It would be, but what if other companies do it too? I've heard similar reports from Microsoft that are more rumor-based. I think they all want to do it because it means more money fir them, they're just waiting for somebody else to rip off the band-aid so to speak.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentTheOneTrueFord 2013-01-09 16:16
Let's just hope to god that if they do this consumers are smart enough to stop buying the games for the prices they charge today. A game you can't resell should be worth half as much as one you can.

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentAcid_Snake 2013-01-11 05:14
consoles are already loosing in sales against smartphones, so if every company does this then it'd be the end of consoles in favour of more user-friendly, android-based electronics

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentLJMjollnir 2013-01-13 02:10
In perspective.. you cant resell smartphone games either tho ;) think about it

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patentthe motha fukkin man 2013-01-13 03:29
after 3 seconds of critical thinking, i've came to the conclusion that smartphone games dont cost 60 bucks so ur argument is irrelevant :D ....if console games were 5 bucks like the average smartphone game, then none of us would give a fuck if they blocked used games lol

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentLJMjollnir 2013-01-13 15:15
Yep and they are that cheap because the Dev's dont have to add the cost of the console into the price of the game aswell + they are getting most of the money from each sale.

you see that with Console games comming closer to reality if they get more of the profits.

That being said most smartphone games are super casual, didnt take much time to develop and are way cheaper to develop. you dont need 50 artists to do artwork for a low resolution tiny screen ;)

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# RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentBrian 2013-01-15 09:53
Well if it does happen, there's one good thing that could come out of this and that's to allow users the option to burn the game off the disc and have it install onto the console's HDD, which can allow for faster loading times.

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-1 # RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentINFINITY101 2013-01-09 15:25
The console gaming Industry is going down, if this happens.

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# this is dumbchris84324324 2013-01-09 15:46
so say i want to bring a game like ooh idk madden over to a friends house and play a few games of football before the Super Bowl because my buddy doesn't have the game.....your telling me it won't work because it was first played on my system....sorry NOOO

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# RE: this is dumbChristopher Groux 2013-01-09 19:12
Sad truth and this is something I really am at odds about. I believe you are right though in saying the game would not load. Hopefully they maybe find some way around that.

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# MrUArrghh 2013-01-13 23:13
You just bring the whole system with you to your buds house. Problem solved. - SONY

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# Mr.Aparatus 2013-01-09 15:52
Awesome, my harddrive AND optical-drive exploded... shit ive got to buy all the games again...

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentRamosXtreme 2013-01-09 16:07
Well if they do this. I think sony would lose more than gain. I heard this.. Rumor-based.. That if Sony does do this that games stop and other games store like game stop would stop selling there games. Thats a big lose in my book for sony. I know most people buy their games in store like EB and Gamestop. Also I know alot of people have said if sony does this they will not buy the New system that will come out. I also will not buy anything with that kinda tech in it.

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# RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentChristopher Groux 2013-01-09 19:11
I would be a little surprised if this happens, but to be honest I don't think it would matter to the average consumer. It would just bring a massive boom in business to retail stores like Walmart and Target. Both of which are around just about every corner.

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentMikeRotch2K 2013-01-09 23:13
I certainly hope not. In my case, and I'm sure a lot of others as well, I'd be more likely to turn my back on console gaming and pull out the PC gaming rig than to fall into a situation where I could potentially hear rave reviews about a game, only to blow money on it and find out it's crappola.... but what do i do then... i can't offload it cause noone else would be able to use it.... so i'm stuck with a crap game that i spent a fortune on with zero options on trading it in for something I do like, or even returning it and buying a different game given that you couldn't return it either.

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patentskpg 2013-01-10 17:11
You don't get it, if Sony implement this on the PS4 it won't sell period. The DRM and anti-piracy restrictions on the PS3, 360, and the Vita is bad enough. And yes the typical average gamer will catch on, and no one will buy it. People will buy the PS4 if it's cracked and consumers can play pirated games on it. But I bet Sony will have very strong security on the PS4, so it won't sell period. Maybe the hackers won't even both touching it.

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# I think you got the numbers wrongLJMjollnir 2013-01-11 19:02
You'd be supprised how little the hacking community is ;)

For the most part alot of people buy their games.. yeah there are plenty who buy used copys.. but when it really comes to it they will either not buy it .. or they will buy less games.

however aslong as Ps3 is supported they would probably hold out till Ps4 is cheap the difference in platforms will probably be fairly small this time around

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# RE: I think you got the numbers wrongskpg 2013-01-11 20:35
Because used games lately are not a whole lot cheaper then new games, and sometimes are in bad condition. Look it the Vita's anti-piracy restrictions and look how it's help them. It hasn't. Retail video game sales have dropped significantly because the msrp of games are too high plus the economy is really bad all across the world. The PS4 won't sell if it's anti-piracy measures are too restrictive, blocking used games and requiring an ID for a game is about as anti-consumer as you can get. The Wii-U at least has been hacked and a year from now consumers can play pirated games on it. Many of these console manufacturers are abusing the copyright/patent laws which eventually will be reformed once the economy implodes.

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# RE: RE: I think you got the numbers wrongLJMjollnir 2013-01-13 02:17
Vita's problems are not entirely its anti piracy policy.. its a handheld and has to compete with smartphones/pads sure its games are really nice (i own a vita myself) they are a little expensive specially when you can buy the cartridge versions the same as downloadable (which i find offensive)..

The problem with handhelds these days as its considered a more casual type of gaming and people dont want to spend big bucks on that when a smartphone game can vary in price from being free to like $5. its not something you sit down for hours at a time to do.. most people will use a TV+Console,PC or to a lesser extent a Pad for that kind of thing..

As for the Wii-U i havent looked too much into its hacking (even tho i own one myself) but from what i last heard its only the Wii section that has been hacked and not the -U part ;) huge difference there.. much like the Vita and its PSP mode hack there isnt alot they can do.. yet...

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-1 # .....Zulleico 2013-01-09 16:30
One word for them. .. . . ASSHOLES!

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+1 # mehafdsgadsfasdfasdf 2013-01-09 17:28
Ill buy it, cuz i dont sell/borrow games.

i also prefer digital over physical. *why?* convenient, less hoarding of dvds.. (like we have enough already)

if the ps4 cannot play ps3 games THAT might change my mind.. im not touching xbox 720 at all. microshaft fouled there business LONG before sony did.

out of the voices from work/friends not a single person is getting the new xbox. Most already have the wii-u, and they're all waiting for ps4. Me also.

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-1 # proDevSonySucks4Ever 2013-01-12 17:15
Digital??? Why on earth???
I won't touch that sh*t never, it's easier and more reliable to use physical content anywhere I want, wherever I want, in any device I want...
And, of course, I will never in my lifetime buy anything, that needs internet connection to activate or to spy me or to limit the use of all of my children in my computer/PS3. Never! No-one really needs that kind of sh*t!

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# RE: proDevLJMjollnir 2013-01-12 19:18
They said the same about Steam oh so many years ago... its very successful ;) i love it myself and i have no issues using it on several computers.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentMikeRotch2K 2013-01-09 17:49
Not to mention game rentals would cease to be available. Therefore, those of us who rent a game to try it before satisfying the high price tag would no longer bother purchasing the games for fear of blowing hard earned cash on a flop.

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-1 # RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentMikeRotch2K 2013-01-09 17:52
Not to mention game rentals would cease to be available. Therefore, those of us who rent a game to try it before satisfying the high price tag would no longer bother purchasing the games for fear of blowing hard earned cash on a flop.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patentjofadda 2013-01-09 18:10
well i decided on a boycott for the ps4 and after hearing this the first time, not specifically this post, I've decided to do that with EVERY company who wants to pull that crap, i mean im paying SPECIFICALLY for physical media. if i dont want it, or cant use it i should be entitled to sell it on via ebay, eb games etc

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentSir7681 2013-01-09 19:07
If they put much thought into it at all, they've got to be smarter than to do this... Even just a little bit of thought will tell them that if someone with a legally owned system and a legal copy of the game has a system that dies, and they buy a replacement, they'd have to buy every game they owned a second time. At that point, I'm afraid I'd have to tell them where they can put there system AND the games they want me to rebuy, and I don't think I'd be alone on that.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentChristopher Groux 2013-01-09 19:09
I honestly think all of you angry people might be surprised when the time comes that other companies will actually follow suit. I personally think they should still have used games, but Gamestop needs to take less of a share and give something back to the developers. After all, Gamestop had very little to do with the fun you're having. The devs are what make the industry happen. Sony is just pandering to them.

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# RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentStiffeno 2013-01-09 23:10
Quoting Christopher Groux:
Gamestop needs to take less of a share and give something back to the developers.
Why do the devs have to get something back? they have already been paid for the game (by someone somewhere). What gives them the right to be paid twice for the same item?

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# RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentStiffeno 2013-01-09 23:12
Our games are bought outright, not rented so the devs shouldnt be paid again!

Apart from rented things, what other company sells something, and then gets paid again for that same thing? nobody cause it makes no sense!

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentLJMjollnir 2013-01-10 01:37
Yep you bought a game which the money goes to the developer right.. youve finished with it and decide to get rid of it..

EB games in Australia will generally pay you around $5 a game and resell it for $30-40

Now someone buys that second hand copy EB make a huge profit.. Developer makes nothing as now that person wont buy a fresh copy... that person is finished with it and sells it back to EB.. see the problem here ??.. Developer can miss out on many many sales and the only person making a profit is the reseller, who gets a cut from the first sale and then all of every other sale afterwards..

Only resellers and budget gamers like second hand games.. Developers would love a cut from that, Online pass has helped a little in this direction but i still think its not enough.

If Dev's got more fresh sales you'd see either a few things happening.. Better quality games or Cheaper games... every one wins there.. if neither happen well people stop buying that Dev's games its pretty simple to vote with yer cash.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentChristopher Groux 2013-01-10 10:12
Exactly bro, you kind of said just a little bit clearer what I was suggesting!

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# No more used carsBillionaire 2013-01-14 14:47
I own a car dealer ship and I'm going to be a billionaire after this. As soon as Sony does this I'm going to start a movement that it should be illegal to buy a used car because the manufacture don't make any $$$ on the resale. Then I'm going to get into building houses and make it illegal to resell your home. If you move out the house must be torn down and the next person has to build another one. Oh yeah baby!!! I'm a trillionaire in the making.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentRenfeild1 2013-01-23 17:49
I know this is an odd comparison but this thing has with re-selling has been going on for as long as the human race has existed. Trading a bench in for cash, cash-converters, pawn shops etc. Should some of the profit go back to the carpenter that made the bench or the company that employs him....Answer : NO!

Sony is getting damn greedy.

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# Stop saying DEV'sMDM3D 2013-01-14 15:42
Devs get raped, work for next to nothing (when you compare the profits they make there company with their WORK)

They are hardly never the ones that benefit above and beyond a pay check.

And they dont call shots... DEV'S are NOT the ones that will get ANYTHING MORE IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.....THE COMPANY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL BENEFIT.

Life lesson #1

[Company's / Bosses] DONT CARE about "the worker" only money,The end.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patentjet613 2013-01-09 19:30
I think that this is a huge hit on budget gamers. Not everyone on the planet has enough income to spend 60-70$ on the latest and greatest. When the xbox and ps3 came out i waited 5 years to get them. Now the games that were brand new back in the day are less then 20$. You could say that if they have enough money to shell out for new console they should for games. I saved up and bought the ps3 with an hdtv and didnt have any games for a couple months. I slowly bought my way up to four ps3 games and savings up for more and thats after a year and a half of having my ps3. But whatever sony wants to float... Sink their boat.

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+1 # RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentBeavis2826 2013-01-09 21:34
So I can't bring a game to my friends house and play it there? My prediction...the next gen of gaming will not be nearly as successful as this current one. The greed of these companies will kill the next gen.

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# RE: RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentChristopher Groux 2013-01-10 10:15
Could happen dude. I wrote about something similar in my article on classic vs. modern gaming!

http://www.dashhacks.com/ps3/ps3-news/head-to-head-classic-vs-modern-games-which-era-is-better.html

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentSayWHAT?!?! 2013-01-09 22:48
So i buy a game use it on my PS3-4 w/e is out by then and my system breaks....wot happens then?

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# Words of Wisdomanin 2013-01-09 23:17
The only way it could work is if there was an account to tie the game too not a console hardware cause as others stated the loss of a console will just kill all games.

If they did a system with an account then you can go to your friends sign in and play.

But the main point here is internet.

No internet, no game because these games have to check a database of games somewhere. This database of games will likely be downloaded to your system with an internet connection because how can you predict game IDs 1,2,3, etc. years down the line?

None-the-less my belief is that the hacking seen will stay alive and will probably grow because of the angry people who can't play used games.

Just remember, no internet = no tracking = can hack and play.

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+1 # It'l happen and you'l still buy gamesLJMjollnir 2013-01-10 01:00
This kind of thing has been around on PC gaming for years and years.. nearly every game now has serial numbers and online accounts.. you cant sell those games back second hand can ya ;)

and i see absolutely no reason why it cant happen the same with Console gaming. hell if they want to add a special code to a disk thats going to end up costing them big time (new tech n what not).. easier solution will be Serials/Online registration bound to a playstation account.

now the reason needing to be bound to a PS account is simple.. hardware dies.. you swap the hardware and log into your account with another Ps4 or whatever you get all yer games back.

Enjoy your bitching about having to buy the games brand new, but being a developer myself i understand where they are coming from. If this sort of technology does come out you'l find Demo's will become alot more popular and games themselves should actually be better too, instead of being forced to push out crap constantly they will need to provide actual decent quality content to get the sales.. and more direct sales = more money to the dev's = better quality work.. if they continue to push out shit well.. noone will buy it right.

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+1 # RE: It'l happen and you'l still buy gamesChristopher Groux 2013-01-10 10:17
Exactly right! I never even thought of PC games. Not to mention the idea of tying it to a PSN account sounds like a great idea too. Who needs all this multi-phase optical and hard drive checking when you can just do that?

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patenterrej 2013-01-10 01:06
so what if my optical drive gets faulty and gets serviced by $ony?

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentShadowraith 2013-01-10 02:29
This is an absolutely stupid move. Why are they making this so hard on the customer? They expect us to pay full price for a "chance" that the game will be good? Sorry, I will not be taking that chance, seeing as how developers these days barely take the time to test for bugs before they release their game to the public. What is so different with a game versus something physical? We paid for the game, we should have the ability to sell it. Just like.. say a table. I bought the table, now I won't be able to get rid of it without throwing it away, when someone else could have the chance to use it and put more use into it? What kind of retarded logic is this?

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+1 # resalestudioeng 2013-01-10 05:26
So what your saying is, if I sold my Ford Fiesta to another person and then 3 years later they sold it to someone else, Ford 'Developers' should be getting a percentage of those second hand sales?

I purchased a brand new sofa from Ikea and a few years later sold it to a friend, but since that sofa has a unique serial number attached to it, his front door won't allow the furniture to enter the building so he would be forced to purchase a brand new sofa, resulting in even more items ending up in the landfill.

Wow, that sounds like such a great plan!! 0.o

Please by all means, someone flame me and tell me this is a bad comparison... It will give me hours of entertainment!

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# CheckmateCapt. Obvious 2013-01-10 09:48
Well said. Wish there was a thumbs up button somewhere 8)

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# What about laterccfman2004 2013-01-10 10:47
When Sony releases their future console or if PSN ever got shut down. What then? If PSN is required to authenticate the usage rights or the game won't play then this system is bad. Most people buy used games to save money and would never buy the game new at full price so the developers aren't losing out on those people. Game rental services like GameFly would cease to exist, GameStop would loose millions and the consumer would be stuck with games they may no longer want to play.

I really hope that people come to theirs senses an not buy this crap. It's bad enough that Sony reduced the number of PS3 activations for PSN content. There are people who do have more than 2 PS3s and want to use their paid content on all of them.

If the developers were so worried about second hand sales then they should make better games to begin with and sell them cheaper. If new games were cheaper to begin with, more people would be able to buy them and the developers would make more money. I've been screwed a few times with crappy games.

What about people who don't have broadband internet? How are they supposed to authenticate the game disc? I've only had the pleasure of broadband for a little over 4 years now. Before that I was on dial-up. There are areas even in the US where you simply can't get broadband yet.

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# RE: What about laterskpg 2013-01-10 17:17
Yeah the MSRP price for video games should be $40. And for handhelds it should be like $25. Just think of the PSP and DS, easily hackable and can play pirated games, yet both handhelds are very successful. Then you have the Wii-U that sells Ninja Gaiden 3 for $60. Who the **** would pay Ninja Gaiden 3 for $60? That game is worth at most $35. And Nintendo wonders why software sales for the Wii-U are terrible.

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# What about later, Life of the consoleLJMjollnir 2013-01-10 23:21
The way i would see it happening is very similar to PC games. You get a serial number and an online account in this case most likly your PSN account.

When you start the game for the first time it would ask for the serial number and add it to your PSN account at the same time it would also verify the code hasnt been used by anyone else and creates a signed file on the play station that would allow it to boot the game even in offline mode.

This has the benefit for Sony in making sure your console is up to date with the current firmware and that you are not running pirated software.

Now your saying doesnt help Rental shops.. well it could work very well with rentals.. there could be a rental code with the game which would allow you to run it for a limited time/or number of uses per PSN account (much like a demo) that same code could be used at mates places for loans of games.

So yer gonna complain not everyone has internet.. well all i can say is too bad.. if you cant at some point get your console connected to the internet atleast once during game setup for the first time then you probably shouldnt have it to begin with.

Look everyone that can run a current console has access to the internet at some point or another.. hell you dont need to send much information to verify a serial dial up will do.. most people have mobile phones that have better then dial up internet so that excuse just doesnt cut it with me.

The way i see it working you only need internet to first setup the software and thats it.. most games these day have a 0day patch you need to install before you can play anyway.

And yeah your right Devs wont be missing out if people that would never buy a fresh game dont buy it afterwards.. and really for the most part they dont care.. however the people that stop being cheap and eventually buy the games fresh Devs will gain that extra cash. With that extra cash you will see better games or those devs will not get the sales.. you will see cheaper games as more money is going to the Devs if not again you can always vote with your cash. dont buy games till they are the right price its time people actually learn how the market works.

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# What about later, Life of the ConsoleLJMjollnir 2013-01-10 23:30
Quoting ccfman2004:
When Sony releases their future console or if PSN ever got shut down. What then? If PSN is required to authenticate the usage rights or the game won't play then this system is bad.


just specifically answering this bit my other post contains the rest

This goes hand in hand with the life cycle of the console itself. PSN or whatever system they use for this would have to be provided for the life of the console itself (which is generally up to 12 years). That being said it is also easy enough for each program within its own registration system to be handled separately outside of PSN, ALL online PC games work this way already and its been quite successful for many years. should the PSN system fail it could fall back to each publishers security quite easily.

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+2 # This Is GOOD!!!This Is GOOD!!! 2013-01-10 12:11
The reason developers charge so much for new games is because the loose so much from used... if this were to happen, you will see a huge price drop in the new game market.. New games that would usually be $60 would go down to about $40

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New Patentxerø 2013-01-10 15:35
if this happened i'd probably go back to pirating games on pc, at least to try them out, and then maybe consider buying them for console

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# SITBSubaruJawn 2013-01-10 17:10
SITB > Stab In The Back.

Sony Does This i Will Not Buy a PS4.
i have been a good Loyal Fan of Sony this is just ridicule on the Loyal Gamers.

Just The Idea Makes Me Angry at Sony.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentAiden Spence 0109 2013-01-10 18:27
Unplug your internet and then they cant check if its already been used

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# gamer,racer,gen tlemanBlackX 2013-01-10 20:40
There are two ways for this to happen.

If Sony tries to make it all download only, with no physical disk media like the PSP GO, very few will buy it, we saw how well that idea went. If they do implement controls on the physical media, then it WILL MAKE GAMES MORE EXPENSIVE! It becomes a simple matter of supply vs demand. retail stores WILL charge more for the product, as the demand (playable copies) will be very limited,decreas ing with each sale until the game is not available at all.

The reason PC software is not resold by most places is that you can completely install the game to the PC's HDD and not need the disk,or burn a copy of the disk, (it's been that way for years)then you could resell the disk. That is the main reason for registering the game's serial number these days. With a console system, you DO need the disk to play, no disk then no game.

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# RE: gamer,racer,gen tlemanLJMjollnir 2013-01-11 19:15
I beg too differ.. PC serials are more about copy protection and stopping resells

Most PC games these days require an online account that itself stops the resell. and copy protection is needed more on the PC because its completely open (for now.. microsoft are trying to close it up starting with Win8)

Alot of PC games still require the disk btw ;) look at technology's like securom granted its mostly only single player games.. ALL online games have a serial+account.

Installing software on the hard drive really has nothing to do with it.. how many places do you know of that rent PC games.. i knew of 1 and it stopped doing that years ago, it was a local PC shop nothing brand named.. only brand name place i can think of that ever rented PC games was Video easy and that would have been nearly 20 years ago.

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# RIDICULOUS!Nunanimo 2013-01-11 14:37
So I have three PS3's. One in my bedroom, one in the main living room and one in my brothers room. Are you telling me Sony intends to limit all the games I own to only one device in my household?! That's obsurd!!! Think again Sony! :o

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# InterestingShinogee 2013-01-11 19:44
I've always found it interesting how people (And businesses for that matter. but I will forgive them. They are businesses after all, out to make a buck.) are willing to apply a different line of reasoning towards digital content to everything else in their lives. The devs are losing money when a used game store resells their game? They want everyone who wants to play their games to buy a copy from them so they get paid? Can you imagine how utterly unlivable life would be if everything worked like this? Take the kids to school? Nope. Tell them to buy their own cars. Someone spending the night over? Not a chance. Go buy your own house. "I'm full. Can't take another bite." "Hey can I have the rest?" "No way. Buy one for yourself. I'm going to throw half of this steak in the trash because I can't let anyone else eat it." I mean, really? The level of waste that comes with making everyone get their own is unsustainable, the product of a dog eat dog capitalist mentality. You make something once (as in a game disk), you get paid for it once. How does common sense escape us just because its entertainment?

And how exactly are we assured that devs will make better games if publishers make more money? How do we know they don't just keep more money for themselves and continue on, business as usual? Better games? Is that even quantifiable? Better is just a matter of opinion. Spending more money for something is not.

To be constructive and not just hate, a better idea (if they insist on going through with this) would be impose a 1 year lockout on games from the launch date, limiting them to 1 PSN account and 3 consoles, rather than for all eternity. After that, it's fair game for resale. Those who want to save money will wait. Those that want to be a part of the hot new game club will buy a new copy.

Discouraging people from buying second hand is one thing. Preventing it is wrong.

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# HAOranges23 2013-01-12 13:42
This will beat the console market into submission and drive people to pc games, where piracy cannot be controlled. Pcs are far to versatile a tool to control to the extent that consoles can be. You cannot stop piracy now and you never will sony. Get used to it.

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# notgonnahappent hiswastevepp 2013-01-15 07:01
Its not going to happen this way and Ill say why..

They arent stupid enough not to realise that the MOST they can do is to tie the games into your psn account just like a STEAM account so you 'own' those games forever. If they did it the way the article is suggesting then they will have no business due to people worrying about their $100';s of games being completely gone when their console or HDD eventually DIES.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentBrian 2013-01-15 10:07
Now that I think about it, Sony never said anything about preventing used games. Maybe the patent is a feature. Maybe it allows users to install their games onto their HDD from the game disk and for that they needed a way to pevent others from installing the game from the same disk to prevent piracy. Considering that Sony might go with SATA 3 on the PS4, installing games to the HDD would be faster for load times, if so, it can be an option for people of how they want to store their digital content on the next generation consoles.

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# POS Company.Rasheem 2013-01-15 12:16
Just another reason to add to the list of why I hate this company. Fucking tyrants.

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# RE: Sony Trying to Block Used Games In New PatentXBOX BETTER SERVICE 2013-01-29 09:46
im glad i moved to xbox from these bastard sony cunts

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